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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by User:The Rambling Man 08:36, 17 July 2008 [1].

Denver Broncos seasons[edit]

Gave it a perr review have modled it on other season FL. Buc (talk) 19:15, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Crzycheetah 00:10, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • CommentOppose What makes Sports Encyclopedia, Rauzulu's Street, and "HickokSports.com" reliable?--Crzycheetah 06:22, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Hope these help [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] Buc (talk) 14:03, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Rauzulu's and Sports Encyclopedia are unreliable and should be changed. Rauzulu's doesn't even open.
        • Sports Encyclopedia and Rauzulu's Street removed
      • Very poorly referenced page. National Football League Official website's page shows all 0's; not useful at all.
        • Click the dropdown box at the top of the page. I've added this fact to the ref. Buc (talk) 06:02, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • nflteamhistory.com's page shows just links to other pages. Not useful as a reference.
        • Fixed
      • None of the footnotes are cited.
        • Fixed
      • The lead is poorly written. Three uneven-sized paragraphs are hard to read. First two are very short while the third one is long.
        • It was four before but I was told that was too many. Any advice on how I can fix the writing? Buc (talk) 07:43, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
          • Tried to improve it but not much I can do if you don'ttell me what's wrong. Buc (talk) 17:02, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • --Crzycheetah 06:35, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • All right, I striked my concerns that I felt were addressed. I have more commens,
          • HickokSports.com's links are sources for awards only, right? Then they should be cited for the awards column.
          • Why is there a "Denver Broncos" row in the table? Should be removed because there were no changes to the name and it's obvious that this is a list of Broncos' seasons and not Bears'.
          • Why is the seasons' column bolded?
            • Same as all other NFL seasons articles. Buc (talk) 05:54, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
          • Fix the citations. hall of fame or Hall of Fame? Date formats are different.
          • --Crzycheetah 19:14, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral I still think that the NFL.com's page is too complicated to use as a general reference.--Crzycheetah 00:10, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • What do you suggest?Buc (talk) 19:56, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • A reference or two that lists all the info in their page, so that no one would spend time looking for the info they need.--Crzycheetah 19:23, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comments
      • What division and conference are they from? Put that in the prose.
      • "This is a list of seasons completed by the Denver Broncos American football franchise of the National Football League (NFL)." should be "The Denver Broncos is a American football franchise. They play in the AFC West Division of the American Football Conference of the National Football League."
      • If you did the second bullet, unlink "Broncos".
      • In the prose (introduction), link all the years to the NFL season or Denver Broncos season.
      • "1998.During" should be "1998. During".
      • Currently, I Support.

    Annoyomous24 21:32, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    All done Buc (talk) 10:38, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    • Comments from Gonzo fan2007
      • First off, please address Annoyomous24's, they are really needed.
      • In all the {{Cite web}} templates, replace the "work" parameter with "publisher" (except the Hickok Sports citations and the second general reference)
      • In ref 2, replace "pro-football-reference.com" with "Sports Reference LLC." (it should say "publisher = Sports Reference LLC.")
      • In ref 6, replace "NFL.com" with "NFL"
      • In ref 8, replace "Denver Broncos.com" with "Denver Broncos"
      • In the first general reference, replace "National Football League Official website" with "NFL"
      • In the third general reference, replace "databasefootball.com" with "databaseSports.com"
        • Would you mind explaining the reason for these six comments. Buc (talk) 07:56, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
          • Compliance with the {{Cite web}} template, the publisher and work parameters are not interchangeable. A publisher is the company or organization that publishes the "work" (I.e the NFL publishes NFL.com) The publisher parameter is better than the work parameter if the publisher is available, because a citation should include the author of the work. Basically you should include the publisher if it is available, you can use both the work and publisher parameters, but you definitely need to use the publisher parameter. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk ♦ contribs) @ 08:05, 17 July 2008 (UTC) [reply]
      • "1982 was a strike-shortened season so the league was divided up into two conferences instead of its normal divisional alignment." rewrite to something like "Due to the 1982 strike-shortened season, the league was broken up into two conferences instead of its normal divisional alignment."
      • "This game included The Drive where Elway, led the..." move the comma to after "The Drive"
      • "This second period of success is best remembered for John Elway being the team's quarterback." Do you have a direct citation for this sentence?
      • "...where they did not make the playoffs and had only two winning seasons." change to "...where they did not make the playoffs and recorded two winning seasons"
      • "Broncos did not have a losing seasons" seasons -> season
      • "The second began in 1983,and" you need a space after 1983
      • "in Denver as part of the original American Football League (AFL)" was there another American Football League? No need for "original"
      • "From there inaugural season in 1960 till 1975" - "till" -> "until"
      • "all of them in the AFC West and" needs a comma after "West"
      • "the Broncos had played over 750 regular" had -> have

    All done Buc (talk) 10:45, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      • "During this period the Broncos had only two losing seasons..." remove "only," too much of a weasel word.
      • "winning only two of fourteen games in both 1963 and 1964" again, remove "only"
        • Since when is "only" a WW? Buc (talk) 07:56, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
          • "Only" in and of itself is not a weasel word. It is a weasel word in the previous two sentences though. Read it out loud, you are making an opinionated statement out of a factual statement. The team won only two games, or the team only lost two games. The fact is that they either won or lost a certain amount of games. When you say only, you are making an emphasis on that word instead of just stating the fact that they won or lost a certain amount of games. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk ♦ contribs) @ 18:11, 17 July 2008 (UTC) [reply]
            • That is really the piont being made though. Buc (talk) 18:19, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
              • Whose point is being made though Buc, yours or the source's? Show me a source that states that they only won that amount of games or only lost that amount of games, then I will withdraw my comment, but until I see a source that says that, it screams of WP:OR and your own opinion, thus not WP:NPOV. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk ♦ contribs) @ 21:51, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
                • They only won/lost a few games/seasons therefore it was a periods of success/decline. Buc (talk) 06:56, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
                  • Holy crap, Buc. Whose opinion are you stating right there??? Maybe to me winning 2 games in a great success, maybe losing two games in really bad. Everyone has opinions on what is good/bad. The whole point is that you need a source from a reliable site that states that winning or losing that amount of games is good or bad. If not it is your dang opinion and WP:OR! « Gonzo fan2007 (talk ♦ contribs) @ 07:03, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Oppose. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk ♦ contribs) @ 07:11, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Oppose My colleagues have said it all. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 07:42, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Oppose Article needs to be copy edit. I see too many grammar and spelling problems ("there season-by-season" → "their season-by-season", "over there" → "over their", "and endded in", etc). -- Reorion (talk) 03:48, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Additional Comments

    • "The second began in 1983 , and ended in 1998." - Why is there a random comma in there?
    • "there inaugural season in" → "their inaugural season in"
    • In "they did not make the playoffs", wikilink playoffs to the NFL playoffs
    • In "the Broncos did not make the playoffs prior to the merger", wikilink playoffs to the AFL playoffs
    • Change "played their first season in 1960, in Denver as part of the original American Football League (AFL)" to "played their first season in 1960 as part of the American Football League (AFL)". Adding the "in Denver" part sounds like the Broncos had previously played somewhere else or have moved to another location and no need for "original".
      • "Original" is to indercate it was the first season. Buc (talk) 18:47, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Add a comma after however in "However the Broncos did not make the".
    • In "American Football Conference of the National Football League (NFL)", add "(AFC)" after American Football Conference. Then just use the abbreviated form in "champions twice and American Football Conference (AFC) champions once."

    --Reorion (talk) 17:00, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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