Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Academy Award winners and nominees for Best Foreign Language Film

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The list was promoted 20:29, 22 December 2007.

List of Academy Award winners and nominees for Best Foreign Language Film[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page. No further edits should be made to this page. The closing editor's comments were: 12 days, 4 support, 0 oppose. Promote. BomBom (talk) 20:29, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am self-nominating this list because I think it complies with all the Featured list criteria :

- (a) It is useful : the list covers a topic that lends itself to list format.
- (b) It is comprehensive : the list includes everything that needs to be known about the films (their original title, their submitting country, their director, the languages used in their dialogue track).
- (c) It is factually accurate : the list is fully referenced. The names of the winners and nominees are taken directly from the official Academy website.
- (d) It is uncontroversial : films have either been nominated for the Award or haven't. There's not much to argue about.
- (e) It is stable : the list only needs to be updated twice a year.
- (f) It is well-constructed : it has taken a lot of effort to turn this list into a fully functionable sortable table. The list is now very easy to navigate, and allows the user to group the films as he pleases (i.e. by chronological order, by country, by language...).
It complies with the standards set out in the manual of style :
- (a) a well-written, useful and concise lead section ;
- (b) a substantial but not overwhelming table of contents.
It is illustrated with the image of an Oscar statuette and a useful map showing the countries that have been nominated for and/or won the Award. BomBom (talk) 16:57, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Commment The table looks much better than it did before. Although it would be nice to see an image of an actual Oscar, rather than a graphic. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 20:54, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that positive comment ! I replaced the graphic image with that of an actual Oscar statuette. BomBom (talk) 11:07, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Looks good overall; there are just a couple of small WP:MOS issues to address. There should be no space before colons and semicolons, and all numbers less than ten should be spelled out (see footnote #3, for instance). Once those are cleaned up, I'm happy to support! MeegsC | Talk 09:51, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done ! I hope more people will post their comments. If the nomination is successful and the list is promoted, I will use its layout to improve other Academy Awards lists. BomBom (talk) 15:32, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support—very nice job. One more thing that should be cleaned up: the sentence that currently reads "[...] the names of the other languages are written in small and between brackets". This reads awkwardly. Something like "[...] the names of the other languages are written in smaller typesize and placed between brackets" might be better! : ) MeegsC | Talk 17:48, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oops! One more thing I meant to say—you might put something in the map caption indicating what the various colors are for. I know they're included in the map file description, but it's nice not to have to click on the map to find out what they mean. MeegsC | Talk 17:51, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your support! Your two comments have been addressed. I have rephrased the sentence you mentioned and Circeus has added a color legend below the map. BomBom (talk) 14:53, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support. I'm not sure the change in layout to gain sortability was necessary, but still very featurable. Circeus (talk) 03:29, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your support and thanks for adding the color legend below the map ! I have read the List of tallest buildings in Dubai nomination discussion in which you took part, and agree that using letters for notes and numbers for citations is a good idea. Therefore, I split the "Notes and references" section in the List of Academy Award winners and nominees for Best Foreign Language Film, and changed the notes from numbers to letters. BomBom (talk) 14:53, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support: with one or two minor requests:

I wish I could figure out how to get The Walls of Malapaga to be in the right place when you sort by "Submitting country". Maybe put "co-production" after the two flags?

I already thought about this, and I found that the best solution was to put {co-production} before the names of the countries. Of course, it's perfectly possible to make the film appear in the regular list and not at the bottom of the table when one sorts by Submitting country. However, we would be facing a real problem in determining "the right place" of the film: should we make it figure with films submitted by France or with films submitted by Italy? If we make it figure with the rest of French entries, then we would be giving France more credit for the film, and this would be quite "unfair" towards Italy. If we make it figure with the rest of Italian entries, we would be facing exactly the same problem. The only way to make The Walls of Malapaga appear with both French films and Italian films would be to include it twice in the table (once as a French submission and once as an Italian one), but that would be really awkward and quite confusing. Therefore, I believe that putting {co-production} before the names of the countries is the best thing to do, since it prevents a single country from taking sole credit for the film when the list is sorted by Submitting country. (I have applied exactly the same solution for films with multiple directors.) BomBom (talk) 23:58, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Very good point - I didn't even think of that :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 01:36, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'd kinda like a key someplace. I know that second section details what the blue and teal are, but I looked around for a key before reading that. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 19:49, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, but I really do not understand what you mean by "key". Does "key" mean "explanation"? In any case, I have added a color legend before the table, but I'm not sure whether this is what you were referring to. Please tell me if this satisfies your request. If it doesn't, then please explain to me what you mean by "key". BomBom (talk) 23:58, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry - key, legend - yes, they're the same thing. List of Green Bay Packers first-round draft picks has an example, but yours looks good too :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 01:36, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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