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List of Better Call Saul episodes[edit]

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Nominator(s): Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 04:33, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it meets the criteria. I have improved this significantly in the past few days. This is my third FLNom, so I feel as I owe it to reviewers to review other noms so I hope to slowly provide a few DBC and enventually provide full reviews. For the WikiCup my other active FLC is a co-nom with User:Lady Lotus Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 04:33, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from ZooBlazer[edit]

  • Better Call Saul is an American television drama series created by Vince Gilligan and Peter Gould, which aired on AMC, it premiered in 2015 and concluded in 2022. Put a period after AMC and start a new sentence for the premiere and conclusion.
  • Over the course of the series, 63 episodes aired over six seasons --> 63 episodes aired over six seasons
  • The sixth season was split in two parts --> split into
  • Remove the link to AMC in the ratings section. That's a WP:DUPLINK.
  • I suggest hiding the graph for now until that situation is resolved.

That's all I've got. Looks pretty good overall. -- ZooBlazer 19:54, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All coments have been addressed except the last one as I couldn't figure out how to do so without removing the graph. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 02:53, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good to me. Support -- ZooBlazer 04:30, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments[edit]

  • "The series was officially greenlighted" => "The series was officially greenlit"Done
  • Also, is there a way to avoid using "series" twice in that one short sentence?Done
  • "The season was planned to release in 2014" => "The season was planned to be released in 2014"Done
  • "A thirteen episode second season" => "A thirteen-episode second season"Done
  • "However, in November 2016 the season" => "In November 2016, however, the season"Done
  • "The sixth season was split in two parts," => "The sixth season was split into two parts,"Done
  • "Slippin' Jimmy, is a animated" - no reason for that comma thereDone
  • "engages in some hardcore slipcanery" - literally no idea what that last word means, is there an appropriate link?
    It seems to be a made up word Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 03:06, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The above description appears verbatim on IMDB as do the descriptions for the other SJ episodes. Have they been copied from IMDB, which would be WP:COPYVIO?
  • That's it -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:59, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The descriptions were already their so I'll put a notice on the slippin Jimmy page, but given how the other descriptions were hidden on the list should those be hidden as well? Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 19:00, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    They need total deletion, as they are copyright violations -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:42, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Removed the text from the slippin Jimmy page and request rev deletion. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 16:03, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:09, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from TheDoctorWho[edit]

  • I would link the first use of "second season" rather than second. Done
  • "The first season premiered on February 8, 2015, and ended on April 6." → "The series premiere aired on February 8, 2015, and the first season concluded on April 6." - Makes for a better flow and allows you to link the episode similar to how the finale is linked later on. Done
  • The paragraph regarding renewals and air dates appears to be largely in chronological order. The exception is the portion about the sixth season renewal. Is there a particular reason for this? If not, I'd move it for a better flow. August-October 2018 → January 2020 → February-April 2020 rather than August-October 2018 → February-April 2020 → January 2020.
  • Changed to be in order. Done
  • "with the first part ran from" → "with the first part running from" (or remove "with") Done
  • It feels a little odd that the second season header contains renewal information while none of the others do? I'd either remove it from that one or add it to the rest for consistency. It's already in the lead so we're not missing anything if it's removed, or the sources are easily available if you decide to add it to the rest.
  • Deadline → Deadline Hollywood in reference 16 to match the other source from this site. Done

That's all I have, not much to say! If you're still looking for additional candidates to review, I'm still looking for a few more on this one. Good work on the list, TheDoctorWho (talk) 04:09, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The reason the season 2 header brings up renewal information is due to the episode count changing Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 05:30, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's fine, I won't oppose just because of that nor will I oppose over my second comment since it's a personal wording preference. I can see you already fixed points one and three, but I would like to see the fourth and sixth comment addressed before I do support. TheDoctorWho (talk) 03:52, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Finished addressing concerns. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 05:01, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Perfect! Support. TheDoctorWho (talk) 05:20, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Trailblazer101[edit]

  • "Better Call Saul is an American television drama series created by Vince Gilligan and Peter Gould, which aired on AMC." → "Better Call Saul is an American television drama series created by Vince Gilligan and Peter Gould that aired on AMC." Done
  • "It premiered in 2015 and concluded in 2022." → "The series premiered in 2015 and concluded in 2022." Since we're starting a new sentence and the following one also starts with "it" Done
  • "In an interview with The Hollywood Reporter, Gilligan confirmed that the series would have a lighter tone than Breaking Bad." → "Gillan confirmed in October 2014 that the series would have a lighter tone than Breaking Bad." Typically, the publication source such as interviews are not notable or relevant. What is is who and when it was said, and the timeframe seems to be a beneficial aspect to include here instead of namedropping THR. Done
  • In the "Season 2" section: "However, in November 2016 the season was reduced to 10 episodes." Add a comma between "2016" and "the". Done
  • While not as necessary to my support, given the likes of Better Call Saul and Slippin' Jimmy are titles that are italicized, when they are linked to in the {{Main}} template, I suggest changing to this code: {{Main|Better Call Saul season 1{{!}}''Better Call Saul'' season 1}} (for example). That intentionally makes the typically italicized title unitalicized when the rest of the plain text is italicized.

That will be it for me! Great work on this! Trailblazer101 (talk) 03:26, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May I ask what would that last thing achieve? It seems to leave season the season number italicized and the series name not? Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 19:29, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yup. That's just something I've seen across other articles. I believe it has to do with some italics MoS, though I cannot readily locate it and I don't think it is as necessary. I believe the main intent behind it is to ensure italicized works are distinguished from the regular text. Trailblazer101 (talk) 19:38, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The guideline for that is WP:ITHAT. Indagate (talk) 20:44, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good to know thanks Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 20:51, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Trailblazer101: Adressed all of your feedback. All's left is the source review so hopefully someone will get that done soon. :D Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 20:57, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Spectacular! I Support. Trailblazer101 (talk) 21:10, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hey man im josh

Source review: Passed

  • Reliable enough for the information being cited
  • Consistent date formatting
  • Consistent and proper reference formatting
  • Appropriate wikilinks where applicable
  • Spot checks on 15 sources match what they are being cited for

Feedback:

  • Refs 27–36, 48–67 – Wikilink TV by the Numbers for consistency. Note that refs 38 through 47 already wikilink here properly. Done
  • Refs 68–77 – Update to "ShowBuzz Daily" from "Showbuzz Daily" to match what the source uses and the refs uses later (refs 80–91)Done
  • Refs 68–77, 80–91 – I understand that ShowBuzz Daily redirects to Mitch Metcalf, but it's still useful to wikilink the publisher in case an article is ever created. Done
  • What makes the above references (ShowBuzz Daily) reliable? They're hosted on a wordpress site which is usually a red flag for reliability.
    ShowBuzz's relability comes from Metcalf. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 17:47, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 95 – Is the website "TV Series Finale" considered a reliable source which is generally accepted for these lists? I recognize it's only being used for Nielsen ratings, but being that I'm unfamiliar with reviewing these particular types of lists, I wasn't sure if there was a better source for Nielsen ratings.
    Yes its used on the list for Community, Game of Thrones, and The Good Place. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 17:47, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's what I've got. Please ping me when you've made changes and/or are looking for a response from me. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:04, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Hey man im josh: I've made changes. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 17:48, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
While others may prefer it that way, I don't like in-line replies to my feedback, it makes it a very confusing conversation to follow.
  • You did not change "Showbuzz Daily" to "ShowBuzz Daily" where appropriate.
  • I'm not sold on the reliability/expertise of Mitch Metcalf, who's article has been marked with a questionable notability tag since 2018. Is there anything else to signal that he's considered an expert in the field? Have any other past FLC nominators used this a source in a number of their lists? Do any major sites use him as a guest writer / cite his work at all?
Also please consider that usage of the done template is discouraged, per the supporting and objecting section at the top of WP:FLC. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:29, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Showbuzz passed the season 5 and 6 GANs. In terms of FLCs you have Adventure Time, Grey's Anatomy and SpongeBob. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 21:11, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Hey man im josh: I also fixed the ShowBuzz thing. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 01:58, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:27, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Promoting. --PresN 20:25, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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