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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by Rambo's Revenge 19:35, 22 March 2009 [1].

List of CHA Men's Ice Hockey Tournament champions[edit]

Nominator(s): – Nurmsook! talk...
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This is the first in a series of NCAA Division I men's ice hockey conference tournament lists that I hope to bring to FL status. I feel that it meets all aspects of WP:WIAFL, but of course am open to any suggestions or criticisms on how to improve it further. – Nurmsook! talk... 04:29, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I withdraw this nomination of the grounds of the proposed changes to WP:WIAFL. – Nurmsook! talk... 19:31, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Truco

Comments from Truco (talk · contribs)

General comment
  • A bit short if you ask me, but since the 2009 event is this year, I guess it can pass the 10-limit guideline.
Lead
  • The tournament was first hosted at the Von Braun Center in Huntsville, Alabama with Niagara winning the inaugural event. -- comma before with
  • Bill Wilkinson has coached three championship teams, more than any other CHA coach, while Doug Ross and Tom Serratore have the most championship game apprearances as coach with five each. -- (1)Typo on appearances (2)add "a" before coach with five each.
  • The lead should state how many overall tournaments have been held, and a note about the 2009 event.
Champions
  • A lot of redlinks, but I guess that is generally okay, but if this is going to be done, the IRA venue should also be linked.
References
  • For the publisher of USCHO.com, that is not the name of the publisher, so the acronym of it should be spelled out instead
  • For the publisher of collegehockeystats.com, should be ".net"--₮RUCӨ 23:50, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • All of your comments have been addressed. As for the redlinks, they should all be notable, subjects so I'll create articles for them shortly. Thanks for your comments! – Nurmsook! talk... 01:29, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- Previous issues resolved to meet WP:WIAFL standards.--₮RUCӨ 01:45, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:02, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)
Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)
  • "At the completion" "At"-->After
  • "Prior to this"-->Before this
  • "was Niagara, who " Why is "who" used here? In American English, which should be used per WP:ENGVAR, teams are referred to as "which".
  • "while the 2000 Niagara "-->and the 2000 Niagara
  • "The tournament was first hosted at the Von Braun Center in Huntsville, Alabama, with Niagara winning the inaugural event."-->The tournament was first hosted at the Von Braun Center in Huntsville, Alabama, and was won by Niagara.
  • "Ice Hockey Tournaments with three each." Comma after "Tournaments".
  • "game appearances with five each." Comma after "appearances". Dabomb87 (talk) 22:18, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:02, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • What makes http://www.collegehockeystats.net/0102/boxes/malhwsu1.m16 (and the other collegehockeystats souces) a reliable source?
  • Likewise http://www.uscho.com/recaps/20052006/m/03/12/bsu-niag.php? Dabomb87 (talk) 22:18, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • USCHO.com is arguably the most widely recognized news site on NCAA college ice hockey. This is a staffed organization that also features work from other published authors. Further, USCHO.com is an official partner of CBS College Sports Network and sponsors a top national poll with them. USCHO.com is unquestionably a reliable source. Likewise, collegehockeystats.net is an up-to-date college ice hockey statistical database maintained by Timothy J. Danehy, a published author (ie: ISBN 0898715873, American Statistical Association Proceedings of the Section on Statistics on Sports, 1993, etc.) and Commissioner of the Liberty League. Both of these websites are run by reputable organizations and individuals and follow WP:RS's "third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy" notion. – Nurmsook! talk... 02:55, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Thank you for your detailed explanations. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:02, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I am questioning whether or not it is really needed. The table is only ten items, and the College Hockey America (which isn't particularily long) also contains a list of championship games. I think it would be more useful to merge it back in there. There is a discussion about a new criterion at WT:WIAFL and if passed, this page might fail it. So, I'm hesitant to promote a page that could just end up at FLRC within a few months. -- Scorpion0422 21:06, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I just have to Support the Merge just because I believe that this article can fit into the main article. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 22:27, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I guess I'll have to play the devils advocate and argue this as a justified list. Remember, Wikipedia is not paper and this article will grow. The CHA article itself will grow as well as I move to expand it. This is more of a consistency thing I believe. All of the other college hockey conferences will have these lists (I've created a couple thus far). It could easily be argued that List of Nashville Predators head coaches and List of Minnesota Wild head coaches—both lists with only one entry—could be merged back into their parent articles, but there seems to be consensus to keep them as is because of consistency. I fail to see how this is any different. – Nurmsook! talk... 18:20, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Nurmsook, I think you had better take a look at Wikipedia talk:Featured list criteria#New criterion discussion. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:25, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah I've been following the discussion there. I'm all for quality of quantity, so I think I'll just withdraw this FLC, but I won't merge the article into College Hockey America until this criteria discussion is sorted out. It's unfortunate, but I guess what can ya do. – Nurmsook! talk... 19:31, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your understanding. Anything you can contribute to the discussion would be most welcome. -- Scorpion0422 20:05, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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