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The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 08:08, 18 July 2009 [1].

List of CMLL World Middleweight Champions[edit]

Nominator(s): MPJ-DK (talk) 09:00, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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I am nominating this for featured list because I feel like it's up to the level of my previously successful Feature List nomination and I have incorporated the feedback from those three plus a current FLc into this list as well, with each FLc I lean something, improving the next one and so forth. MPJ-DK (talk) 09:00, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Truco
Oppose from Truco (talk · contribs) -- prose issues
General
  • Dabs, external links check out fine
Lead
  • The CMLL World Middleweight Championship (Campeonato Mundial peso Medio de CMLL in Spanish) is a professional wrestling championship promoted by the Mexican wrestling promotion Consejo Mundial de Lucha Libre (CMLL). -- Me being Hispanic, I understand Spanish. So since Peso Medio is a pronoun, peso should be capitalized
  • I did not know that, that's definitely one that goes on my checklist from now on. MPJ-DK (talk) 05:39, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Being a professional wrestling championship it is not won legitimately; it is instead won via a scripted ending to a match or awarded to a wrestler because of a storyline. -- 1)Comma after championship 2)I've learned that this is a cause and effect type sentence so the semicolon should just be a regular colon, this needs to be changed in all of your lists.
  • Fixed here, I will go through the others and edit for consistency later. MPJ-DK (talk) 05:39, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Because Lucha Libre emphasizes the lower weight classes, this division is considered more important than the normally more prestigious heavyweight division of a promotion. -- 1)Link to Lucha Libre 2)I would note earlier in the lead the CMLL is a lucha libre based promotion, same with your other lists.
  • Not that I mind changing it (and I did) but I thought that the fact that "Lucha Libre" was in the name of the promotion was a dead giveaway, however it is another one I will edit for consistency through out past and future FLs. MPJ-DK (talk) 05:39, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • That would be like not saying that WWE is wrestling promotion just because one of the W's stands Wrestling.--Truco 503 15:51, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Blue Panther became the first champion in 1991, winning the 16-man tournament. --> Blue Panther was officially recognized as the first champion in 1991, after winning a 16-man tournament.
  • The Championship lineage was interrupted in 1992, when Blue Panther left CMLL to work for rival promotion Asistencia Asesoría y Administración (AAA), leaving the Championship Vacant. --> The championship's history was interrupted in 1992 with its only vacation [pipe link vacant here], when Blue Panther left CMLL to work for rival promotion Asistencia Asesoría y Administración (AAA).
  • I would never have used the word "vacation" myself but it's there now ;) MPJ-DK (talk) 05:39, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't know what I was thinking, I meant "vacancy": I went ahead and changed it for you.--Truco 503 15:51, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • El Dandy defeated Negro Casas in a match to decide the new champion, since then the Championship has not been vacated. --> El Dandy defeated Negro Casas in a singles match [pipelink to professional wrestling match types#Variations of singles matches] on July 3, 1992 to decide the new champion.
  • Fixed. MPJ-DK (talk) 05:39, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Averno is the current CMLL World Middleweight Champion, having defeated Negro Casas for the Championship on September 17, 2006. -- 1)The link to Negro Casas should come in its first instance, which is not in this sentence 2)Uncapitalize championship, do not capitalize things like Title or Champion/Championship unless its being used with the proper name of the title.
  • I moved the sentences around and forgot to check for first mention, fixed and fixed. MPJ-DK (talk) 05:39, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • He is the 13th overall champion and the tenth person to hold the Championship. -- Uncapitalize Championship
  • El Dandy is the only wrestler to have won the Championship three times and also the individual with the shortest reign, 63 days. --> El Dandy has had the most reigns as champion, with three; he also holds the shortest reign at 63 days.
  • Satánico's single Championship reign is the longest reign with 1,563 days. -- Uncapitalize Championship, the with should be 'at'
Footnotes
  • Remove the comma after Mephisto--Truco 503 03:02, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • And fixed, Thank you for your input. MPJ-DK (talk) 05:39, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- I replied to a few comments in the capped box, mainly to say that I did a few fixes that I missed and general copyediting. Previous issues resolved/clarified; list meets WP:WIAFL.--Truco 503 15:51, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:40, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)
Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)
  • "it is not won legitimately: it is instead" Semicolon, not colon.
  • Really? I've had a comment from Truco (now hidden) that say the opposite. MPJ-DK (talk) 04:33, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Colons are generally used only to introduce lists. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:51, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "he also holds the shortest reign at 63 days"-->he also holds the shortest reign at, 63 days
  • "Satánico's single championship reign is the longest reign at 1,563 days."-->Satánico's single championship reign is the longest reign, at 1,563 days.
  • Can you change the symbol in the "Championship reigns by length" table? I find the copyright symbol usage very strange.
  • If the general ref is for title changes before 2000, what sources Emilio Charles, Jr.'s reign dates?
  • HMMM I thought I had that one covered but it's not there, I'll see if I can find out where it went. MPJ-DK (talk) 04:33, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I found it, I had forgotten to add it during my preparations it seems. MPJ-DK (talk) 10:02, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the table, for the location column, could you make it so that "N/A" sorts last (or first) instead of in the middle somewhere?
  • I could sort it like it started with "Z" MPJ-DK (talk) 04:33, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "everyday"-->every day (should be changed in other lists, too)

Dabomb87 (talk) 00:33, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • You're right, I did not check properly. I removed the picture completely as it was the only champion with a picture on Wikipedia. MPJ-DK (talk) 04:33, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I found a different picture with the proper rights and all. MPJ-DK (talk) 17:40, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:40, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • All sources not in English should be denoted as such, with the language used provided.

Oppose Comments from Rambo's Revenge (talk · contribs)

  • of the Middleweight weight class: Middleweight -> middleweight
  • Statistics correct as of {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTDAY}}, {{CURRENTYEAR}}. That is a big no no! You are basically saying the statisitics are and will always be correct!
  • Really? I got some FLs to change then, but with a template that counts the days it changes every day so if I say "correct as of today's date" then that statement is tomorrow incorrect and I'd have to update the date every day. MPJ-DK (talk) 15:59, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't know, I just spotted it and thought that automatically asserting that a list is always correct must be wrong. Prior to FLC related work on 22 June this is a low traffic page and I suspect if you left and someone else won the title it may not get updated for a while. Do any other reviewers have an opinion on this? Rambo's Revenge (talk) 11:16, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sadly I agree, it probably wouldn't be kept as up to date as they see little activity right now. Maybe instead of "correct as of" I put something like "table last updated on" and a specific date? MPJ-DK (talk) 12:05, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is there a ref covering the locations and dates?
  • The source at the end of each line cites all the information in the line, if there is no specific citation it's covered by the general reference listed in the References section, that source covers locations & dates as well. MPJ-DK (talk) 15:59, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The championship's history was interrupted in 1992 with its only vacancy, when Blue Panther left CMLL to work for rival promotion Asistencia Asesoría y Administración (AAA). citation?
  • The general citation covers basically everything up until 2000, it's clearly marked under the references. MPJ-DK (talk) 15:59, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • defeated Negro Casas appears in lead & notes. Citation?
  • defeated Satánico in a tournament final Citation?
  • after winning a 16-man tournament, link is not relevant. This looks like something that should be in the Light Heavyweight page but not here.
  • You're right I pasted too much from a different article, I'll fix it.MPJ-DK (talk) 15:59, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not sure a merge to CMLL World Middleweight Championship is out of the question. That page is 4,706 bytes and this is 9,946 bytes, a combined size would still be small, and this just seems like oversplitting.
  • The main championship article will be expanded with more history, tournament brackets etc which would disqualify it as a list but borderline too "listy" for GA. MPJ-DK (talk) 15:59, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hmmm, I still not sure but unless anyone else shares my thought I'll let this go. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 11:16, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • If it helps put your mind at ease then I plan on expanding the Championship page in the style of CMLL World Heavyweight Championship where I cover the championship reigns in prose form as well as a specific section on the current champion. MPJ-DK (talk) 12:05, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rambo's Revenge (talk) 15:28, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (17–14) 17:46, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
*Comments –
  • Promotion is linked twice in the first paragraph; one is enough.
  • "He is the 13th overall champion and the tenth person to hold the championship." Because the two figures are comparative quantities, they should be given in the same way. I would change tenth to 10th, but the other way would work okay.
  • Footnote: Comma after "upper limit".
  • Reference 4 needs an en dash for the page range. Giants2008 (17-14) 00:25, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Someone got it already. Thank you for your input. MPJ-DK (talk) 05:13, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support – Meets the standards. Giants2008 (17–14) 17:46, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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