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List of Colorado state symbols[edit]

Featured list candidates/List of Colorado state symbols/archive1

Nominator(s): Buaidh talk e-mail 18:54, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this list for featured list because it is a complete, fully referenced, and well organized presentation of the symbols of this state. This list has been peer reviewed at Wikipedia:Peer_review/List_of_Colorado_state_symbols/archive1#List_of_Colorado_state_symbols Thank you, Buaidh talk e-mail 18:54, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why is the lead only one sentence? Speedy fail of criterion 2. WP:FL#United States state symbols has six that are featured, those can be starting point examples.
I'm not sure why this particular stamp is considered a state symbol; I found at least five other stamps [2][3][4][5][6] that are for the state. I'd remove, as well as the quarter (America the Beautiful quarters also has one for CO).
USS Colorado (1856) is named after the river, not the state
I don't think any of the List of United States Navy ships named after US states are state symbols anyway.
Is there a reason the "image for the motto" is just the motto in all caps, bold, and "V" for the "u"?
"The Centennial State" is also not an image, just use a dash if there isn't a suitable free image.
The citation for this nickname does not address the adoption of the nickname.
I would not include coat of arms as a symbol unless there is good sourcing specifically for it beyond its implicit use as part of the seal's design.
Footnote 1 is not loading for me.
I'm not sure why "United States Department of Agriculture" is the 'Adopted' for the soil. Does that mean the USDA chose this soil on the state's behalf?

Reywas92^Talk 22:45, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comments. You've done a great job with the List of Indiana state symbols.

I've added to the lead. I'm not sure the list lead needs to contain information that is also included in the list entries themselves.

This is still not adequate, surely there can be other ways to summarize the topic like in the other examples.

Only one stamp has been issued in honor of the state itself. The America the Beautiful quarter for Colorado honors Great Sand Dunes National Park and Preserve and not the state itself.

I don't know what you mean by that. This stamp was issued to celebrate the state's centennial. My first linked stamp was issued to celebrate the state's 75th anniversary. I'm not convinced stamps are considered state symbols, at least not only this one in particular. The 50 State quarters honored each state with an issuance, but these also aren't the same kind of state symbols as the rest of the list, and none of the other FLs include them.

The entry for the USS Colorado (1856) explains that the ship was commissioned before the creation of the Territory of Colorado.

Right, so again, why is it listed here as a state symbol? It was named after the river, not the state, so it's not a state symbol by any stretch.

The Lists of United States state symbols includes ships.

Right....it includes List of U.S. state ships, which are ships respective state legislatures have named as their official state ships. It's not just any ships that were named after states, a common practice by the Navy. Colorado has not designated a state ship, and I don't think the ones named after it are necessarily state symbols.

The state motto is in Latin and classical Latin had only one letter V. The letter V was not separated into the letter V for the consonant sound and a new letter U for the vowel sound until the Middle Ages.

Yes, I know that but why did you put that here? Are there any Colorado-related sources that spell it this way? Moreover, that's not an image, so why are you just restating what's in the Symbol column in the Image column?

I think the nickname text is adequate.

It says "Centennial State" in the Symbol column and then "The Centennial State" in the Image column. But that's not an image so what's the point of duplicating it?

I think the explanation of the nickname origin is adequate.

No, it's not. The citation there is simply the proclamation that verifies the date Colorado became a state, but it doesn't verify when the nickname was adopted. Did people immediately start calling the state that – What's the origin there? Also the wikilink redirects to Colorado so it's not very useful.

I think the explanation of the adoption of the coat of arms is also adaquate.

No, because when I look up CRS 24-80-901 in Lexis cited there, it just describes "Size and description of seal", not that a coat of arms was adopted. Just taking those elements from the seal doesn't mean the state has ever used a coat of arms itself, and I don't think the implicit design should be considered a symbol separate from the seal without the state having ever designated it. I add a cn tag to Seal_of_Colorado#Coat_of_arms; what use has there been besides in this 1876 book?

Thank you for letting me know about this. I've updated Footnote 1.
The Department of Agriculture has designated a state soil for each state. Please see State Soils. The Indiana state soil is Miami Soil.

That says "Each state in the United States has selected a state soil, twenty of which have been legislatively established." I'm assuming Colorado is not one of the legislatively established states, but that still implies the state selected it, not USDA.
Also, I don't think license plates count as state symbols either, these can change regularly. Reywas92^Talk 15:29, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Again, thank you for your suggestions. Yours aye, Buaidh talk e-mail 04:43, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)[edit]

Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting |+ caption_text as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting |+ {{sronly|caption_text}} instead.
Tables need column scopes for all column header cells, which in combination with row scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Column scopes can be added by adding !scope=col to each header cell, e.g. !width=140px| Type becomes !scope=col width=140px| Type. If the cell spans multiple columns with a colspan, then use !scope=colgroup instead.
Tables need row scopes on the "primary" column for each row, which in combination with column scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Row scopes can be added by adding !scope=row to each primary cell, e.g. |[[Historical armorial of U.S. states from 1876|Coat of arms]] becomes !scope=row |[[Historical armorial of U.S. states from 1876|Coat of arms]]. If the cell spans multiple rows with a rowspan, then use !scope=rowgroup instead.
Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. --Pres N 03:43, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Buaidh talk e-mail 02:39, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Drive-by comment

The lead is still too short I'd say. I don't believe you saw that Reywas92 mentioned this (they didn't sign the comment, so I understand missing it) after your initial response to them. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:22, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I added a description of the creation of the first insignias of Colorado. Buaidh talk e-mail 03:18, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Review from Hurricanehink[edit]

Hello there, I came here from my own FLC about California, so I figure, why not another C state themed FLC review?

I agree with the above, the lead is far too short. Give an explanation of what Colorado is, more about the history, stuff. For example, it seems that the flag has changed a few times, and you have a few different dates under "Adopted". An explanation for why some items have multiple dates would be useful. I think there should be a "desciption" section, based on Indiana's list, which is a featured list.
"The U.S. State of Colorado has many adopted symbols and emblems." - how many?
"Most of these symbols and emblems were adopted by acts of the Legislative Assembly of the Territory of Colorado" - how many
"A few of these symbols were adopted by executive action of the Governor." - how many
"The seal and coat of arms of the Territory of Colorado were specified by the First Session of the Territorial Legislature but not created until November 11, 1861." - what do you mean "specified"? It appears that it was a week after the motto was decided. Would that be the second session of the legislature? But then that contradicts what's said in note A:

The Coat of Arms of the State of Colorado was implicitly defined by the legislation creating the Seal of the Territory of Colorado on November 11, 1861, and the Great Seal of the State of Colorado on March 15, 1877.
So which is it?

"Federal agencies designated some of these symbols in honor of the state. - yea, speaking of, you're missing a stamp. There was a 75 year anniversary stamp in 1951. Double check to see if there was another anniversary stamp, maybe 125 year anni?
Could you explain what the CRS and SB stand for in the "Adopted" column?
Is it proper for a page to say See Colorado state logo.? I realize that it's trademarked, but IDK, that seems off. Maybe have a note that says that the image is trademarked, and that no free image exists? I'm not sure here.
Reference for note b?
Why is Colorado's slogan included if it's unofficial?
Why the bare link for the state amphibian, cactus, pets, and summer sport?
Reference for the SB/HB/EO for state grass/reptile/tree/fossil?
When did the state soil get recognized?
I'm not a fan of note D within note C. I like the bit about the Colorado River and how it wasn't in the state of Colorado until later, but I'm guessing the state was named after the river, so that etymological importance should have a place in the article, not just a note within a note.
Is it worth adding Colorado Day?
Why is this in a note? The Colorado Sesquicentennial will be observed on August 1, 2026, four weeks after the United States Semiquincentennial.

All in all, the article is pretty good, but there are a lot of small things that prevent me from supporting at the moment. I appreciate the effort, and I think you can still get a featured list out of this. Please let me know if you have any questions. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:52, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, this nomination has been open for a long time without any support, and the nominator has been inactive for a few weeks. In order to keep the queue manageable, I'm going to have to close it. Feel free to renominate it in the future; things that have helped nominations get more/quicker reviews in the past include advertising the nomination to likely editors and wikiprojects, as well as mentioning it when reviewing other FLC nominations. --Pres N 16:30, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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