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The list was promoted by PresN 20:38, 5 September 2015 (UTC) [1].[reply]

List of French Open men's singles champions[edit]

List of French Open men's singles champions (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s): NapHit (talk) 11:15, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because after a lot of cleaning up I believe the list is now close to meeting featured standard. Thanks in advance for your comments. NapHit (talk) 11:15, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Dudley
  • You say twice in the first paragraph that the tournament is held in May and June.
fixed. NapHit (talk) 14:36, 3 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Refs 9 and 33 have harv errors. They use the sfn format which requires ref=harv added to the source.
fixed. NapHit (talk) 14:36, 3 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • The history section is far too long for a list article. Readers will generally look at the article on the French Open itself when they want to know about the history. One option would be to move the whole section to become a sub-section of the main article. Of course, you would need to move the history section from the list of women's champions as well for balance.
Although not a reason in itself to keep the section, there are precedents for this. See List of Ryder Cup matches, List of Tour de France general classification winners, List of Birmingham City F.C. managers and the recently promoted List of The Boat Race results. The section may be on the long side, but I'm reluctant to do away with it altogether, I could shorten it to four paragraphs, which would probably be more manageable? NapHit (talk) 14:36, 3 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I forgot to mention that I raised this with FLC delegate SchroCat at User talk:SchroCat#FLC criteria. He suggested cutting it substantially.
I've had a go at condensing the information down @Dudley Miles:, seems a lot more manageable now, to me anyway. NapHit (talk) 20:06, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • The article should really be "List of French Open men's singles finalists" as it lists the losers as well.
I disagree with this. I feel it is necessary to include the losers as it would be bare with just the champions listed. If there is a consensus to change the title then it should be to finals instead of finalists. I feel more input is needed on this. NapHit (talk) 14:36, 3 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Well we can agree to disagree on that.
  • What does a dash mean against the score - runner-up withdrew? If so, you should explain this.
Should be explained now. NapHit (talk) 14:36, 3 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Years in italics indicate competitions before 1925, which were only open to French tennis club members and nationals." You say "and nationals" but foreigners did take part.
This should also be clearer now. NapHit (talk) 14:36, 3 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • The headings General and Specific under Footnotes do not make sense and should be removed. The "General" ones could go below references as "External links"
These are quite common actually in lists. The general ref is for referencing the table and specific relates to inline citations. I think it works well the way it is. NapHit (talk) 14:36, 3 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Ah I see that as you say this is used in other similar lists. Strange.
  • Some sources such as "French Open Men's champions". SuperSport. Retrieved 15 July 2015." show Fassitt as British, others American as you have him. Is it clear which nationality he was?
It's not perfectly clear. It appears he was American, judging by a few ancestry websites, but no concrete information is available. I could add a note stating this? NapHit (talk) 14:36, 3 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I doubt that this is necessary. I was just curious as I had put him down as British - based on sources which are now dead links - on another list..
Thanks for the comments @Dudley:, I have addressed and responded to them. NapHit (talk) 14:36, 3 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Looks close to FLC now to me. Just needs history section shortened and one other point. " Not considered a champion by the slam" is an odd wording. It is better expressed in the article on the Tournai de France. Dudley Miles (talk) 18:32, 3 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Dudley Miles (talk) 17:02, 7 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Lemonade51 (talk) 14:53, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • In the lead paragraph "Organised by the Fédération Française de Tennis (FFT )", remove extra bracket space
  • Make sure sources confirm statements. Don't see "[It] was held unofficially under German occupation from 1941 to 1944 during the Second World War" anywhere here
  • "Nadal was beaten in the semi-finals of the 2009 by Robin Soderling..." the 2009 tournament?
  • Caption could read "French Open titles"? Lemonade51 (talk) 17:27, 17 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the comments @Lemonade51:, I've addressed them all. NapHit (talk) 11:03, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Satisfies criteria. Lemonade51 (talk) 14:53, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 08:19, 29 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • " with nine. Nadal also holds the record..." -> " with nine. He also holds the record..."
  • Not sure it's clear what the delineation between the Championships and the Open really is here?
  • Andrés Gimeno needs an accent.
  • I would have expected "34 years and nine months old" to be "34 years and 9 months" (comparable quantities).
  • "French players have won the most French Open titles with 38. Spanish players are second with 12 and Australian players are third with 11." reads clumsily to me, especially the second sentence, so maybe merge this and start something like "French players have won the most French Open titles, with 38 victories, followed by Spanish players (12) and Australian players (11)".? Or something different perhaps?
  • Why is it "club members" in the infobox, not "Championships"?
    • That refers to when the competition was just contested by players who were members of French tennis clubs. While internationals refers to when the tournament became an international event in 1925. This and the one below are a bit ambiguous, I personally think just Decugis should be included in the infobox. NapHit (talk) 19:43, 25 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Similar query about "internationals" in the infobox, is that "Open"?
  • No appropriate link for Club Stade Français ?
  • There may be some cause for confusion over the alternative usage of the phrase "Grand Slam" one to refer to the tournament, the other to refer to winning all four Grand Slams in a calendar year, perhaps for the Budge fact, be expansive.
  • "became an open.[11] The tournament became an Open in 1968" repetitive, inconsistent capitalisation.
  • "would dominate" used too often, in fact the whole dominance things is a little overused I think.
  • "Robin Söderling" needs an umlaut.
  • When/why did it change from best of 3 to best of 5, 1906? Worth noting?
  • Don or Donald Budge?
  • Second link to "Score in the final" doesn't go the desired page section.
  • "Carlos Moyà" accent incorrect.

That's about it! The Rambling Man (talk) 11:34, 25 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comments @The Rambling Man:, I've got them all hopefully. Regarding the change of sets from 3 to 5 in 1906, I can't find a source that states that they did change from 3 to 5. I can include it regardless, but I feel it needs to be cited. NapHit (talk) 14:45, 25 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I agree, it's just an interesting factoid that would be nice to see... I think an old version of the page simply said that "records showed" that it changed format at some point... The Rambling Man (talk) 08:19, 29 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I've added this factoid now. NapHit (talk) 20:21, 29 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I'm all good with this list, it's a really nice piece of work and it's really nice to work with a nominator who responds positively to my drab and disruptive behaviour! Good stuff, more please! The Rambling Man (talk) 20:30, 29 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Why do H. Briggs and Francky Wardan have "BRI" by the flag, but the other British players have "GBR"?
  • Rather than constructions such as "he would be" and "would dominate" can you use a more straightforward past tense, "he was" and "dominated". You've done the latter most of the time, but used the former a few times, try to remain consistent. Harrias talk 19:09, 26 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    I tend to find that American English is dominated by this style of "he would go on to win" rather than "he won".... it's odd to me too. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:11, 26 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for the comments @Harrias:, I've addressed them both. NapHit (talk) 21:30, 26 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support (though there is still a "..by Robin Söderling who would lose to Roger Federer.." Harrias talk 21:00, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Harrias, I've got that one as well. NapHit (talk) 22:17, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Closing this nomination as Promoted, congratulations! Remember that reviewing other nominations means that the FLC queue will move faster for your future nominations, and consider nominating this list at Wikipedia:Today's featured list/submissions. --PresN 20:37, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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