Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Medal of Honor recipients for the Boxer Rebellion/archive1
- The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The list was promoted by Dabomb87 22:12, 19 March 2010 [1].
- Nominator(s): Kumioko (talk) 23:46, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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I am nominating this for featured list because it is the next list in the Medal of Honor series of list that meets the Featured list criteria. I still have a few red links for articles that need to be created but I will have those done in the next couple days. Kumioko (talk) 23:46, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This is a WikiCup nomination. To the nominator: if you do not intend to submit this article at the WikiCup, feel free to remove this notice. Mm40 (talk) 12:53, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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- I know the language is just boilerplate from similar lists (such as Korean War), but is there any reasoning for the split between "is commonly awarded posthumously" and only one guy winning posthumously? What was different about this war? Was it not common practice at this point in time? Staxringold talkcontribs 16:14, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Well the commonly received posthumously partially comes from the MOH stats page, partially from the fact that the rules have changed over time to the point were in order for a person to recieve it they almost have to have been killed, comes from the fact that over time the rules a lot have been back then it was still pretty common for people to receive it. During this conflict it was still common to recieve it for non posthumous actions. I hope that helps to explain it a little. Also, the first part is intended to explain the medal itself and the second bit is more to explain the recipients from the conflict. --Kumioko (talk) 17:04, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
All articles for the recipients have been created. --Kumioko (talk) 03:07, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 16:22, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply] |
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The Rambling Man (talk) 17:06, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply] |
- Comment - Speaking strictly for myself, I would like to see an inline citation for each of the individuals in their respective notes tab within the table. If you can show me that this requirement is not necessary for a featured list I will rethink my position on the matter. TomStar81 (Talk) 09:29, 24 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- The reference is currently in the notes column heading and it applies to all the individuals. I can add it to each one but since the reference in the column heading applies to all of them, adding it to each and every row looks a bit cluttered. --Kumioko (talk) 12:09, 24 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Oppose Here I think you could add the citations since length is not an issue; ive held this standard for A-class lists and after thinking it through I will hold to this standard for this list page since to me there really isn't a good reason not to. TomStar81 (Talk) 22:20, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Done - I still think its uneeded and makes the table look cluttered but its done. --Kumioko (talk) 23:59, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Support TomStar81 (Talk) 06:30, 3 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment The use of citations just for the sake of it makes the table look cluttered, and there's precedence for F-lists to not have ind. citations if one fits all, therefore I suggest you get rid of the citations and write in the lead that [4] cites everything. Sandman888 (talk) 17:30, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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- Support -- --Truco 503 22:45, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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- "[D]istinguished himself by meritorious conduct" Served under the name of Henry W. Davis. I think you need some type of punctuation after the closed quotation whether a period or semicolon.
- I actually disagree with the need for the same source to be used on every single line. I have worked on various sports-related FLs (like this one) and I get by with separating out General references, which apply to the whole list and more specific ones that back up a certain statement. Frankly, I think having nearly every column header and every note tagged with the same reference looks bad. Having General references does not violate WP:FL? and WP:SAL nor does is violate my interpretation of WP:FOOT and WP:CITE.
- I agree the problem is that another reviewer feels the opposite so the dilemna I face is do I leave them in place to get the first reviewers support or remove them. --Kumioko (talk) 03:30, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like a lot of improvements have been made to this list over the course of the nomination.—NMajdan•talk 22:01, 8 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Support. I am going out of town tomorrow so my editing will be very limited if not non-existent for a week so I want to offer my support for this article before I left town. My weak support is due both to the one outstanding punctuation issue above as well as the reference issue that is being discussed. One editor feels that the same source should be used 50+ times while I am in support of simply using it as a general reference. However, I understand that the editor feels he cannot undo this sourcing change in fear of losing the support of the other reviewer. I have brought this up on the FLC talk page so hopefully other reviewers will voice their opinion on the matter.—NMajdan•talk 16:30, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I would also advocate the removal of the general reference from each and every line. It looks, frankly, stupid. Even if you have to say in words that, for instance "citations are derived from reference [4]" (if you get my drift) then it's a whole heap better than using the reference dozens and dozens of times. The Rambling Man (talk) 23:56, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Done based on repeated arguments against the use of the reference repeatedly in the table I have eliminated it to one instance and added a comment to the reference itself explaining it relates to all data in the table. If I need to further clarify please let me know. -Kumioko (talk) 19:13, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- It would be presented better as a general reference like in the article I mentioned above.--Truco 503 03:41, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Done I moved it as you suggested. I think. --Kumioko (talk) 04:00, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Not quite, but I fixed it for ya.--Truco 503 22:45, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Much better with only one reference. Regarding layout, I'd go with the occasional picture on the right/left instead of an almost empty column, but that's a matter of taste. Sandman888 (talk) 21:00, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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