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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Giants2008 via FACBot (talk) 23:10:31 14 July 2019 (UTC) [1].

List of National Football League rushing champions[edit]

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Nominator(s): Toa Nidhiki05 18:50, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because it’s been sitting in my queue for several years now after a stalled 2014 nomination. It’s fundamentally the same as then, when I improved it from the start to meet guidelines. This article covers all the NFL’s rushing champions - that is, the user with the most rushing yards at the end of the regular season. It also denotes which players are currently active, which players made the Hall of Fame, which players won major awards, and which players won the title in their first season. References are cited when needed, with a broad general references section covering all of the essential references for the table. Notes are added for years in which a non-standard number of games are played (1932 to 1934, as well as the two strike-shortened seasons of 1982 and 1987). Toa Nidhiki05 18:50, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • "Seven rushing champions have recorded over 2,000 rushing yards..." - I'd suggest moving the link to "over 2,000 rushing yards".
  • Image size: Per WP:THUMBSIZE, image size (such as "150px" as used here) should not be forced. Rather, use "|upright=". Simply leaving out the size may be appropriate as well. They just seem too small as is.
  • Done. The images fine nicely without forced sizes. Toa Nidhiki05 00:39, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Images: All images are missing alt text.
  • Key: I'd suggest removing the top row ("Symbol"/"Meaning") as the first four entries are not symbols and the layout makes it evident that the second column provides the meaning of the first.
  • Key: Every column is defined except "team". Either add it to the key, or (better yet) limit the key to the actual symbols and spell out "Yards" in the winners table. They all seem self-explanatory.
  • Good idea - done. I've also moved the "games" note to the table. Toa Nidhiki05 00:39, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Both winners tables are missing row scope.
  • Incorporate Template:sortname with each player so it will sort by last name rather than first.
  • Some entries with multiple symbols have spaces between each symbol, others are unspaced. I'd recommend a space between on all.
  • References: Some titles are rendered in title case (i.e. last bullet and footnote 1) while others are in sentence case (i.e. footnote 3). Choose one style for all references.
  • Reference 9 needs an en dash between years.

NatureBoyMD (talk) 22:08, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comments
  • Given the title of this article (and the fact that the article on the general concept is at Rush (gridiron football), would it not be more accurate to say "rushing (also known as running)" rather than the opposite way round.......?
  • Don't bold "rushing title"
  • You have "accomplished" twice in quick succession - maybe change the second one to "achieved"....?
  • "Player won the title in his first season of professional football" - what is sourcing this for each player concerned?
  • I've gone ahead and removed this, actually. It isn't used on other featured lists in this series AFAIK and sourcing would require adding a ref column, which really isn't needed given the sufficiency of the general references. Toa Nidhiki05 14:00, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from zmbro
  • Is there a reason the third paragraph has no refs?
  • The third paragraph sources everything from the general citations (specifically general citation 6, which ranks every rushing champion, team, year, and yardage number). Toa Nidhiki05 02:23, 18 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Same for most of the second paragraph?
    General citations, namely the PFR link, but I have now added a citation for the seven 2,000 yard rushers as it was readily available. I removed one specific claim (the number of 1,500 yard rushers being more common at 16 games) that was not factually based from PFR but retained the 14-game statistic, as it is readily available from the source; I did reword to be less opinion and just factually note the commonality of 1,000 yard rushing champs. Toa Nidhiki05 02:23, 18 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • What's sourcing the entire "List of AFL rushing title winners" section?
    It is covered by the general citation, but I have added an additional citation into the table itself to the NFL Record book. Toa Nidhiki05 02:23, 18 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

All I got. Great job on this. – zmbro (talk) 21:26, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support – Makes sense to me. Happy to support – zmbro (talk) 23:58, 19 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Source review – One thing that immediately catches my attention is that the main table itself is apparently unsourced. You have general references at the bottom of the page, but the sourcing would be stronger if you would add the appropriate sources as inline cites in the table headings. Other than that point, the sourcing looks good. It is reliable, the references are well-formatted, and the link-checker tool shows no problems. Still, I'd like to see the main references converted to inline before this gets promoted. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:17, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'll see about adding them. My main issue with that is that this could require having either a ref column with 4-5 citations for some of the entries (for players with MVP awards, OPOY awards, active players, hall of famers, etc.) or leaving the awards as general references while citing specifically the table claims (season, winner, team, yards, and games). Which of the two is preferred? Toa Nidhiki05 00:40, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Giants2008 I have gone ahead and cited specifically the yards source, which covers all of the columns for the NFL table; I also added a specific citation in the upper-alpha note for games that sources the number of league games played per season. I have removed both of these new citations from the general references table. The remaining general references cover which players are active, Hall of Farmers, and award winners. Does this resolve the issue or is more needed? Toa Nidhiki05 13:35, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Much better. I'd consider this source review a pass now. Thanks for adding those cites. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:04, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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