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The list was promoted by SchroCat 07:08, 1 July 2014 [1].

List of National Trust properties in Somerset[edit]

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Nominator(s): — Rod talk 07:33, 15 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because it provides the only comprehensive list of the properties owned or managed by the National Trust in the county of Somerset, England. Each entry is supported by details of its status as an ancient monument or listed building where appropriate, along with details of location, a picture and description. It may form a template for other counties listed at List of National Trust properties in England.— Rod talk 07:33, 15 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support by Dudley Miles

  • "These range from sites of Iron and Bronze Age occupations including Brean Down, Cadbury Camp[1] and Cheddar Gorge." Ungrammatical as ranging from should range to.
  • Changed to show the range to Elizabethan and Victorian houses.— Rod talk 14:37, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • "These unitary authorities include areas that were once part of Somerset before the creation of Avon in 1974." I do not understand this.
  • I've link this with the previous sentence which explains the 2 unitary authorities were part of Avon & before that Somerset - is that any clearer?— Rod talk 14:37, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • "A scheduled monument is a "nationally important" archaeological site or historic building," I think you need to say something like some NT properties are scheduled monuments or some listed buildings are also scheduled monuments in order to explain the relevance of this statement.
  • Bath Assembly Rooms. "which are now open to the public as a visitor attraction." as a visitor attraction is superfluous.
  • Brean Down. "The site has been owned by the National Trust since 2002 who instituted a £431,000 renovation project." I think it should be which not who.
  • Bruton Dovecote. "The building was once within the deerpark of Bruton Abbey and was adapted by the monks from a gabled Tudor tower." Adapted to what? The conversion to a dovecote was over 200 years later. (It must have been adapted soon after it was built as the abbey was dissolved in 1539.)
  • I've looked again at the sources and nothing I can find answers this question.— Rod talk 16:14, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Cadbury Camp. I think a picture would be more attractive than a plan.
  • Cheddar Gorge. "Cheddar show caves" - sounds a bit odd. Why not Gough's Cave?
  • Crook Peak. Dinantian is an outdated term which is not officially recognised. It would be better to say Lower Carboniferous. (This redirects to Mississipian, which is the official name for the period). Also, Devensian redirects in this article to the Wisconsin glaciation in North America. I think last glacial period - which is what the default Devensian redirects to - is more understandable.
  • I'm unclear here last glacial period says "110,000 to 12,000 years ago" while the source book used (Haslett) definitely says "the rocks underlying Shute Shelve Hill are sedimentary rocks deposited during the beginning of the Carboniferous Period and are assigned to the Dinantian Series of rock some 350 million years old."— Rod talk 16:14, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am making two different suggestions here. 1. Change Dinantian to Lower Carboniferous (meaning early Carboniferous and a more familiar term than Dinantian). 2. Change the existing redirect [[Wisconsin glaciation|Devensian]]. There are several possibilities, but perhaps the most familiar to readers would be [[Last glacial period|last Ice Age]]. Dudley Miles (talk) 17:06, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks I understand now & have changed as you suggested.— Rod talk 17:37, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
More to follow. Dudley Miles (talk) 12:03, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your comments so far. I think I've done most of them but a couple of queries set out above.— Rod talk 16:16, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Further comments

  • Crook Peak comes before Coleridge, out of alphabetical order.
  • Coleridge. "three corresponding bed chambers above." Why corresponding? I would delete it.
  • "The castle lies on the top of a steep hill called the Tor, and has been fortified since the late Anglo-Saxon period." This implies that the castle is Anglo-Saxon. Perhaps "which has been".
  • Dunster Castle. "which operates it as a tourist attraction." Doesn't this apply to almost all NT properties. I would delete it unless there is some special reason for applying it to Dunster.
  • Dunster Mill. "The present mill, which was built around 1780, is built on the site of a mill mentioned in the Domesday Book" Repetition of built - the second one is not needed.
  • Fyne Court. "The Quantock Hills AONB Service have their headquarters in the grounds." What is AONB (and is this really interesting enough that it needs to be in the article).
  • Glastonbury. 1. "The site is managed by the National Trust." Surely not needed in a list of NT sites? 2. "with the surrounding flats," A bit distracting as it conjures up an image of blocks of flats marching across the countryside!
  • Holnicote. Horner and Dunkery NNR is designated as Dunkery and Horner Wood. See [2].
  • You already link Dunkery Beacon. How about Dunkery Beacon (part of which is Dunkery and Horner Wood National Nature Reserve)?
  • Lytes Cary. "The property, owned by the National Trust," I think this is superfluous. You give details in the few cases where a property is not owned by the NT.
  • Prior Park. "with advice from both Pope and Brown." This repeats what is said above.
  • Sand Point. "calcareous grassland". Suggest wikilinking. I see this term is used several times. The convention (in case you do not know) is that in sortable tables terms should be wikilinked each time they are used.
  • Wikilinked expept where it is twice in the same description.— Rod talk 11:00, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Tintinhull. "The property is in the ownership of the National Trust." Superfluous and repeated below.
  • Gone here - what did you mean by "below"?— Rod talk 11:00, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I meant you say below Reiss gave the property to the NT.
  • Treasurer's House. No change needed but interesting that a priest's house was so grand that it had a great hall.
  • Walton. "The Trust acquired 0.248 hours (0.89 ks)" I do not understand this.
  • My error in the conversion template. Instead of "ha" for hectares it was just "h" which gave hours.— Rod talk 11:00, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is a very good article, although I think it sometimes goes into excessive detail about such issues as bodies occupying the properties and visitor numbers. Dudley Miles (talk) 09:59, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for all your comments which have definitely helped to improve the article.— Rod talk 11:00, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • One final point. "The two administratively independent unitary authorities, which were established on 1 April 1996 following the breakup of the county of Avon, are North Somerset and Bath and North East Somerset, which were once part of Somerset before the creation of Avon in 1974." I still find this a bit awkward. How about something like: "North Somerset and Bath and North East Somerset historically came under Somerset County Council. In 1974 they became part of Avon, and in 1996 they became administratively independent when Avon was broken up into unitary authotities." Dudley Miles (talk) 12:48, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]


Note I will be at Glastonbury Festival from 24 June until 1 July and will not have any internet access to be able to respond to any comments.— Rod talk 11:39, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Didn't really see anything to object to in this this list, except for one wonky sentence in the lead- "to Elizabethan and Victorian era mansions include examples such as". Supporting on the assumption that will be fixed. --PresN 21:59, 24 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Reworded.— Rod talk 09:22, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments from Crisco 1492
    • That image caption is nigh unreadable for the lack of columns. Fixing that would make this look a lot more professional.
      • I will have a fiddle with this.— Rod talk 09:22, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
        • After having a play around with column templates to make them work in a caption, it now has two columns - is this the sort of thing you meant?— Rod talk 09:52, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • by Somerset County Council, or by the Somerset County Council, in BrE?
    • The site has been owned by the National Trust since 2002 which instituted a £431,000 renovation project. - Unclear what you're trying to say
      • Reworded - once they aquired it then they began a renovation project costing £431,000.— Rod talk 09:22, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • Standardize your spelling of deer park/deerpark
      • Changed to deerpark thoughout
    • This Lime-Tree Bower My Prison, The Rime of the Ancient Mariner, part of Christabel, and Frost at Midnight - Are all of these epic poems, or are there some shorter ones mixed in? The MOS recommends italics for epic poetry and quotation marks for smaller works
      • My belief is these are considered epic. There may have been others but these are not included in this description.— Rod talk 09:22, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • The Folly of King Alfred the Great - why is this in italics? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:36, 28 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Great, Support — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:31, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from SchroCat[edit]

As delegate I won't give a formal support comment here, as I wouldn't be able to close it later. I've made a couple of tiny tweaks here and there to some very minor points: feel free to revert if I've erred anywhere. The only thing I'll point out is the capitalisation in some of the references. You should look to capitalise the following notes, but have a good look through to see if I've missed any others: 26, 37, 60, 68, 78, 89. I hope you had a good time at Glasto: my last visit was four years ago (before my daughter was born), and I keep trying to persude the missus that we should start going back again! Cheers – SchroCat (talk) 10:36, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks I've been through and hope I've caught them all. Glastonbury was great as ever (my 28th year). Tell your missus that the kids area is great - we've taken all 4 of our kids for years - youngest at 6 weeks old & they now boast to their friends about how much of a Glasto veteran they are!— Rod talk 11:28, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]


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