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The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 01:43, 10 May 2009 [1].

List of Silver Slugger Award winners at designated hitter[edit]

Nominator(s): KV5 (Talk • Phils)
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OK, we are reaching the end of the Silver Slugger series. To all reviewers who have been so helpful in the promotion of the first six lists, I thank you, and reward your diligence with this (and one more) list to review... and they are half the size of the others! As these are completed, I will progress to WP:FTC. I appreciate all help and comments. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 11:46, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Truco
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  • First/most recent winners?
  • Most recent done. First winner not in any other lists, per my comments at a previous FLC.
Well its in the pitcher list.--Truco 21:45, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • As per my comments in another FLC, first winners are not noted unless they hold some other record or distinction. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 21:54, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • 'Don Baylor won the Silver Slugger three times in four years (1983, 1985–1986) as a designated hitter with the Boston Red Sox and the New York Yankees,' -- Its not that clear to me, but did Baylor win the '83 one with the Sox, and then from '85 to '86 with the Yankees?
  • No, he actually won with the Yankees in '83 and '85 and the Sox in '86. The teams are listed in alphabetical order, but they could be changed to chronological. Specific years are explicated in the table. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 21:13, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Can it be changed to chronological order?
  • 'Martínez set the records for the highest batting average and on-base percentage in a designated hitter's winning season with his .356 and .479 marks, respectively, in 1995.' -- Is it proper to state 'designated hitter's winning season'?
  • Yes, it follows conventions used in other articles. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 21:13, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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  • The '89 entry: in the team column, his first team is listed first right?--Truco 21:04, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- Previous issues resolved to meet WP:WIAFL.--Truco 00:41, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Same high quality as the others in the series. The only thing I saw that I wasn't thrilled with is "that position receives a Silver Slugger Award rather than the pitchers". "the" could be removed. Other than that, the list looks good. Giants2008 (17-14) 00:25, 25 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers. Done. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 00:34, 25 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs) Great job on the topic.

  • "David Ortiz won his four consecutively" Unnecessary word.
  • "Harold Baines won the award while playing for two separate teams in the same season" The logic of the sentence is off; he sounds as if he was playing with two teams in the same time.
  • The second half of the sentence doesn't explain it? "Harold Baines won the award while playing for two separate teams in the same season; he was traded by the White Sox to the Texas Rangers in the middle of the 1989 season." KV5 (Talk • Phils) 21:47, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Image caption: "Edgar Martínez is tied for the Silver Slugger lead among DHs." It's not clear what "lead" is referring to here. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:54, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do you have a suggestion that doesn't repeat the Molitor or Ortiz captions? KV5 (Talk • Phils) 21:47, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:54, 30 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comments
    • "a bat trophy" personal perhaps, but this reads oddly to me. "a trophy in the shape of a baseball bat?"
      • I've looked at this myself and been quite frustrated with the wording, so I'm glad someone else brought it up. What about "bat-shaped trophy", for succinctness? KV5 (Talk • Phils) 16:38, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • "in the American League" - you've already abbreviated this to AL above so why not use the abbreviation?
    • Same with National League.
      • To the two above, this is in keeping with the "consistent use" guideline for abbreviations. IMO, using abbreviations in prose looks ugly (unless it's something extremely long and tedious to read like Trinitrotoluene vs TNT), so I use them in the captions and nowhere else. This is the same convention followed in all of the Silver Slugger lists. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 16:38, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • Fair enough but it runs a high risk of a reader getting to the abbreviation before the explanation if you use the abbreviation in lead images, which, in my opinion, is suboptimal. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:57, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
          • I never actually use the league abbreviation in the lead image because that spot is reserved for the overall leader in MLB. The DH is the only one where I could see this causing an issue. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 12:36, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
            • Agreed, my mistake, it was the DH in the lead caption that worries me. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:50, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
              • Would it be breaking with the "consistent usage" guideline to say "designated hitter (DH)" in the first caption? Or should I perhaps consider that the "first usage"? KV5 (Talk • Phils) 13:52, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
                • I don't think anyone would complain if you simply said "designated hitter" without the abbreviation in the lead image. That would certainly get my vote. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:31, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I may be showing my ignorance (as a Brit who considers baseball even more tedious than US football!), but I am really struggling to get my head around "Because lineups in the American League include the designated hitter (DH),[4] that position receives a Silver Slugger Award[5] rather than pitchers, who receive an award in the National League[6] because they are included in the batting order"...
      • I've tried re-wording this several times; I fought with it in the regular list too. I already changed it once in this list as well; I have no idea how to make it better at this point, which could just be my frustration with off-Wiki issues. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 16:38, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Is the wording in the pitcher list any better? KV5 (Talk • Phils) 13:53, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • "1983, 1985–1986" - would be better a 1983, 1985, 1986 in my opinion.
      • Again, this follows conventions from other lists; the en-dash is used to emphasize consecutive wins. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 16:38, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • I just think it adds potential for confusion that there may have been a season spanning over two years (like our European football seasons), and thus one missing year. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:57, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
          • I understand your concern; however, I think that the table explicates clearly that seasons are self-contained in a year (i.e., links to the individual MLB seasons). KV5 (Talk • Phils) 12:36, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'd expand DH in the lead caption as it may be one of the first things someone reads and it may not be terribly clear to a non-expert.
      • See above comment on abbreviations. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 16:38, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Otherwise good stuff. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:05, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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