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The list was promoted by Giants2008 10:01, 30 July 2013 (UTC) [1].[reply]

List of Square Enix mobile games[edit]

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Nominator(s): PresN 21:23, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

FLC, I know what you're thinking. You're thinking, "I want to see PresN bring more lists of obscure Japanese video games to FLC". Well, I'll meet you halfway, with this List of Square Enix mobile games, the brother article to the more stationary List of Square Enix video games featured list I wrote a while back. Here we can see, in addition to a bunch of obscure Japanese feature-phone games, the point in 2010 where Square Enix realized that they could have hundreds of people work for five years on a massive game, or just have tiny teams churn out title after title for iPhones, release them worldwide, and see what stuck. The lead is based off of the brother FL, the sorts all work, and the references will get archived soon. Thanks for reviewing! --PresN 21:23, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: A handful of the refs are broken ("not used in prior text"). czar · · 07:39, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Whoops, fixed. --PresN 16:18, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - It passes the featured list criteria; it is seemingly complete, has the game logo, lots of references, and appears comprehensive and well written. I do have a side question, which is how do we know for sure that these are all the games square released on mobile; is there a official list? Or did you just find them all through references in articles? Excellent work as always! Judgesurreal777 (talk) 14:29, 26 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • The official list is at here, linked to from the bottom of the page (at least for Japan), though the fun bit is that if you click the links at the top of that page to show only one platform, and the links at the bottom-right of the page, you get somewhat different results. On top of that, there were some games referenced in their old "what's new" blog/list (i.e. [2]) that didn't have listings on the main lists (read: tiny, silly shovelware cell phone games), and of course the actual information given for the games on their websites beyond the name is all over the map, which is why there are so many non-square-enix websites cited in the list. All NA/EU games prior to the iPhone/Android games had press releases that they keep on their NA/EU sites, and there aren't many of them besides, and since then the games are all listed on the official sites in a fairly consistent manner- after all, they charge $5-15 for those, rather than the <$1 for the shovelware ports of 80s PC games. Tl;dr, there's many official lists, and google translate/webarchive is my friend. --PresN 20:50, 26 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I can clearly see how long List of Square Enix video games is, but I'm a bit worried about the fact that both that article and this share almost the exact same lead, and are of a similar topic. Can you convince me why two lists are necessary?  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 04:11, 29 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Besides the fact that both are of ever-increasing length? Well, for one, I think it's a logical breaking point to make a distinction between the $60 AAA games that they spend years making, and the tiny mobile games they spit out- they're different sizes, different price points, different gameplay methodologies, and have different audiences. List of Square Enix video games is at ~350 rows and is constantly increasing, and this list is at ~125 and growing as well. It needs to be split somewhere, and I'd rather do it by game type than by an arbitrary time point. If you feel that the leads are too similar, what would you like to see in the lead for this article instead? --PresN 17:48, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

SoapFan12 commented here (and then removed the comment) that the links weren't archived; my script that I use for that was broken, but I've gone and fixed it and the links are now all archived. --PresN 19:56, 21 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support: Good job on meeting every single criteria for an FL! SoapFan12 20:07, 21 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Underneath-it-All
;Comments:
  • Ref 1 + 29: add format=PDF
  • Add CBS Interactive as a publisher to all GamSpot refs
  • Add [[Ziff David|Ziff Davis Inc.]] as publisher to all IGN and 1UP.com refs
  • Refs 20 + 128 → archive section needs to be fixed
  • Ref 145 → add Gamer Network Ltd. as publisher
  • Add [[UBM plc|UBM TechWeb]] as publisher for all Gamasutra refs
  • Refs 147 + 148 need publisher info

– Underneath-it-All (talk) 21:20, 23 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • All done. --PresN 21:58, 23 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 16:25, 26 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • I guess it's initially sorted by release date? In which case it's initially incorrectly sorted because sorting by release date makes a few small changes to the initial ordering.
  • " For those games, see List of Square Enix video games. This list does not include games published by Taito, but does include games published by Square Enix Europe. For games released before the merger, see List of Square video games and List of Enix games. For games released by Taito, both before and after the acquisition, see List of Taito games, and for games published by Eidos prior to acquisition see List of Eidos games." - this is all "See also" territory. Perhaps just state the inclusion criteria of this list and leave the other links to the See also section.
  • When you say "mobile phones" does this mean cross-platform, i.e. including iOS and Android etc? It's not clear.
  • What does PAL region have to do with mobile devices? Particularly when there's no explanation as to what that means.
  • You wikilink System every time, but you don't wikilink Developer(s) every time, why?
  • Ref 120 looks like a missing letter in the title.

The Rambling Man (talk) 17:18, 25 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Fixed the couple of sorting errors.
  • Moved those to "For" templates.
  • Specified in the lead that I mean non-smartphone cell phones, as seperate from smartphone OSs like iOS or Android. Japan has/had a big culture of crazy-complicated cell phones that you could buy/download games for, which never caught on outside of the country, though iPhones/Android seems to be slowly wiping that out.
  • Added a sentence to explain it- there may be no television format causing difference between US/EU sales like there is for console games, but there's still a lot of games that just aren't available for sale in in all regions for non-technical reasons. Note that since the PS4/XBone will not be region-locked, going forward PAL will increasingly be a publishing region demarcation like it is for this list, rather than an indicator of technical standards.
  • I didn't redlink developers without an article- I can do it if you'd like.
  • Looks like it was just Armor Project, fixed. --PresN 04:41, 26 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fixed.

--PresN 17:55, 25 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by JDC808
  • Support - comment addressed. --JDC808 ♫ 17:24, 28 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I was reading through the list and I noticed that some games were listed twice, their only difference being the system. For example, Final Fantasy III, instead of having two rows, since all info is the same except system, couldn't you combine the rows and just put Android/iOS (or Android and iOS) for the system? The only ones I could see being left as two separate rows (or in the case of Chrono Trigger, three), are for example, Chrono Trigger as it has a different release date for the systems. --JDC808 ♫ 15:25, 28 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, I can't do that, as it messes things up when you sort by system, but what I can do (and just did) is merge two rows together if they're next to each other with the same name with rowspans, which means they break back apart when you sort by something. Is that any better? --PresN 17:02, 28 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • What you did is actually better than what I was thinking. --JDC808 ♫ 17:24, 28 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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