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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 23:32, 12 March 2018 (UTC) [1].[reply]

List of Tau Kappa Epsilon brothers[edit]

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Nominator(s): Jmnbqb (talk) 01:39, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because (yes it meets the criteria), but more so this list contains information of interest to multiple communities and would provide viewers with information on notable people with Greek life involvement, specifically Tau Kappa Epsilon, which is rarely communicated to audiences. I have researched and added as many applicable, secondary references as possible, and I have incorporated all of the suggestions from the peer review such as expanding the lead, standardizing the capitalization, and ensuring all entries have a reference. I would deeply appreciate consideration for this article becoming a featured list (which would be my first!) Jmnbqb (talk) 01:39, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from BeatlesLedTV (talk) 19:56, 12 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
;Comments from BeatlesLedTV
  • Normally all tables need scope rows and cols per MOS:ACCESS however you don't use a "wikitable" formatting so I don't it's possible for you to use those. I'll definitely wait to see what other editors have to say about it.
  • All names should be sorted by last name and not by first name per WP:Sorting
    • Is this a general note, or does something need to be fixed? I couldn't find a table that wasn't sorted properly. Jmnbqb (talk) 16:43, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      • Jmnbqb Yeah when sorting names in tables they need to be sorted by last name per WP:Sorting. Currently they are sorted by first name. BeatlesLedTV (talk) 19:00, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
        • BeatlesLedTV I fixed the tables. Sorry, I didn't understand what you were getting at. I had to read up on sort keys. Jmnbqb (talk) 02:48, 12 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That's all I got for now. Great job on this! BeatlesLedTV (talk) 04:18, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 16:34, 28 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comments a quick runthrough right now:
The Rambling Man First round of comments have been addressed. Jmnbqb (talk) 03:49, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The list of Tau Kappa Epsilon brothers" nope, we don't start list article like this. Perhaps "Tau Kappa Epsilon brothers are those individuals who..."
    • Fixed.
  • Please confirm the templates you're using support row and col scopes per MOS:ACCESS.
  • WP:OVERCITE, why seven references for Reagan, for example? Unless controversial, just one would be fine.
    • All references were fixed to have a maximum of 3.
  • Cites should be in numerical order.
    • Fixed.
  • Sortable tables throughout means that anything in any table which is linked needs to be linked every single time.
    • I wiki linked more terms. I don't know specifically what more needs to be linked though.
      • I mean, if you link U.S. Senator once in a sortable table, you need to link it every time, because the linked version may not come first after sorting. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:06, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Jr", Wikipedia has removed the comma from all these.
    • Fixed.
  • Is this list 100% complete? If not, {{incomplete list}} should be deployed.
    • I added the {{dynamic list}} at the top of the page (I thought it was more appropriate than {{incomplete list}}). Does it need to be placed in a different location instead of at the top?

The Rambling Man (talk) 20:43, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Stupid question time, what is the "Grand Chapter"? Those listed for it don't have a school listed...? Courcelles (talk) 17:47, 31 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nah not a stupid question. It's essentially the chapter of TKE Headquarters, so there's no associated school. Most of the Grand Chapter brothers were initiated at various TKE Conclaves, which are international biennial meetings of the Fraternity. Jmnbqb (talk) 04:01, 2 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Courcelles (talk) 19:32, 14 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Three minor questions/comments (and my support is *not* conditional on them being changed)
  1. Three brothers are listed as being from Colonies, does that mean they became brothers as part of the colonization effort but had graduated by the time the charter was granted? If so, can that be explained?
Note is added.
  1. Grand Chapter brothers are, I believe, what most fraternities would call Honorary brothers. Does only Grand Chapter have the ability to grant brotherhood in Tau Kappa Epsilon to people no longer associated with a college (and if so, can a chapter grant brotherhood to a professor)
Yes, initiates from the Grand Chapter are honorary, but other chapters can also initiate honorary members.
are any of the other brothers listed under chapters honorary to the chapter?
Definitely, but the problem is that there is no definitive source or method to distinguish who is honorary and who isn't, so I avoided notating it since I can't guarantee that it's correct for everyone.
  1. Putting Westling and Boxing together seems a little odd, might splitting work better? (and that's a general question, so if others support the merger, please say so)Naraht (talk) 14:01, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The only reason for merging is that there is only one boxer, so I just lumped them together.
Missed that the last was a wrestler.Naraht (talk) 17:01, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also, for those Tau Kappa Epsilon brothers who are notable and who were Presidents of Tau Kappa Epsilon, please include that in their notability.Naraht (talk) 14:17, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • Notability is added.
      • Added in Logan and Muse as well.
        • Thanks!
Comments are addressed. Thanks for the review! Jmnbqb (talk) 14:34, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanx! I may find
Source Review
  • All references that have the author as "Staff writer" or similar should remove it- the author field(s) are for named people, not generic writer name stand-ins; in that case, leave it blank.
    • Fixed.
  • Please add ISBNs to book citations, such as ref 109 (use [2] to get a properly-formatted 13-digit ISBN if you have an unformatted/10-digit one, like at ref 81)
    • Fixed, although there are 2 problems. I couldn't find an ISBN for ref 51, but found an OCLO number; also, ref 108 isn't registering the isbn, even though it matches the ISBN in the URL link.
  • How is "Stacy's Got Greek" a reliable source? It appears to be an apparel store website, not a biographer
    • Reference removed.

That's all, not too much. --PresN 20:27, 5 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

PresN, replied to comments. Thanks for the source review, Jmnbqb (talk) 22:46, 5 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'd actually feel better if Stacy's Got Greek was removed. This doesn't reduce any of the brothers down to a primary source *except* for Jim Harrick, which I can't find in any external source. The odd thing is that Jim Harrick (Sr.) didn't graduate from Marshall, he graduated Morris Harvey College (now U of Charleston) which is two hours away. He graduated in 1960, and his date of induction is in 1957. So there is an oddity here. Did he transfer schools from Marshall to Morris Harvey?Naraht (talk) 21:01, 5 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
(Apparently so. "After Harrick transferred from Marshall to Morris Harvey..." See https://www.upi.com/Archives/1982/03/10/The-state-of-West-Virginia-is-mighty-proud-of/4988384584400/ ) Still would feel better with a second source.Naraht (talk) 21:03, 5 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Source review passed; promoting. --PresN 15:27, 12 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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