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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:Scorpion0422 23:44, 6 January 2009 [1].

List of Texas Rangers managers[edit]

previous FLC (11:13, 3 August 2008)

I have edited the article since its failed FLC, and I think it meets standards. This follows my format from List of Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim managers and List of Seattle Mariners managers. Thanks for the comments in advance. --LAAFansign review 05:03, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from RyanCross (talk · contribs)
Comments by RyanCross (talk · contribs):
  • For reference [3], I believe {{citenews}} would be a better template to use rather than {{citeweb}} since ESPN, a news network, is the publisher. Don't forget to include "author=Associated Press" and "date=2006-11-08" to the template.  Done
  • There's a problem with the table. "Reference" is where "Awards" is supposed to be, etc. Done
  • ESPN is linked in one of the references, but why isn't Baseball-Reference linked in the others? Done Removed ESPN link.
  • Heh, I actually meant for you to link them all, not delink it... RyanCross @ 19:02, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Statistics are accurate through the 2007 MLB season." – I think it would make more sense to add that to the "Managers" section than the "Key" section. Done

— RyanCross @ 06:27, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from KV5
Comments from Killervogel5
  • Replace the en-dashes used for blanks with em-dashes.
  • Baseball-reference.com is not a publisher; it is a work. The publisher is Sports Reference LLC. All of the B-R references need to be changed.
  • "Ted Williams is the only Rangers manager to have been inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame." - reference
  • The asterisk does not appear bold in the table so it should not be bold in the key.
  • "GC-games coached" should be "GM-games managed", since coaches and managers in baseball are distinct.
  • There is no general managers' table or information in the article (list) itself, so that information should be removed from the lead. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 14:32, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Missed that one. Thanks, now removed. — RyanCross (talk) 01:19, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • This should be updated to include the 2008 season since it is complete.
  • "There have been thirteen interim managers in Rangers history." - needs a reference. Who says they were "interim"?
  • Removed and moved to talk page until ref is found.
  • "it was decided Connie Ryan would not finish the season." - by whom? This needs a reference or the wording should be altered.
  • There is no sorting. There is also no reference at all to pennants or championships won.
  • Table rows should be able to stand alone, so all years in the table should be linked, and there should be a line in the key table explaining that years are linked to the corresponding Senators'/Rangers' season.
  • Partially done. I've only linked all the years so far for this one. — RyanCross (talk) 07:30, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Additionally (KV5)
  • The "focus on interim managers" that was never addressed in the previous FLC is still present and should have been fixed before any re-nom was attempted.
  • Not sure what you mean. More info please? — RyanCross (talk) 07:30, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hope this helps. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 21:53, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'll try to complete some of these. Give me some time. RyanCross @ 22:06, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Of course. Cheers, and if you need a hand, let me know. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 22:10, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've done several, will continue later. RyanCross @ 22:50, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've done as much as I can for now. — RyanCross (talk) 07:30, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from SRX

Oppose - many prose problems that goes against WP:WIAFL

  • There have been 23 managers in the history of the Texas Rangers Major League Baseball franchise. - this should not be the opening sentence, the following sentence should open the list.
  • The Rangers are based in Arlington, Texas and are members of the American League West division. - this should be reworded as The Rangers are an American baseball franchise based in Arlington, Texas. They are members of the American League West division.
  • The Rangers franchise was formed in 1961 as a member of the American League. - that's it? There needs to be more explained on their history, what happened after this? Who currently owns the team, the venue they play at, etc (more on their history)
  • Mickey Vernon became the first manager of the Texas Rangers, then called the Washington Senators, in 1961, serving for just over two seasons. - the part about them being called the Senators should be in the first paragraph
  • Bobby Valentine has managed more games and seasons than any other coach in Rangers history. - So? What was the record?
  • The only Rangers manager to make it to the playoffs in October is Johnny Oates, who won the 1996 Manager of the Year Award with the Rangers. --->The only Rangers manager to lead the team to the playoffs was Johnny Oates, who also won the 1996 Manager of the Year Award with the Rangers.
  • In 1963, manager Mickey Vernon was fired. The interim manager chosen was Eddie Yost. - how about merging these...In 1963, manager Mickey Vernon was fired and replaced by interim manager Eddie Yost.
  • One game later, Yost was replaced by Gil Hodges. - why? This leaves the reader in question.
  • In 1973, manager Whitey Herzog was replaced by Del Wilber. One game later, Billy Martin took over the role of manager. - why? Who appointed him, why was he appointed, same applies to the above sentence
  • After six games, it was decided Connie Ryan would not finish the season. - this just stands out because in the previous sentence you say that Martin was replaced by Stanky, so where did Ryan come from?
  • Billy Hunter took over the role of manager, only to replaced in the midseason by Pat Corrales. - add a be before replaced
  • In 1982, Don Zimmer's poor performance forced the Rangers to hire Darrell Johnson midseason. - add as his replacement during the midseason after Darrell Johnson.
  • In 1985, after years of losing seasons, Doug Rader was replaced by Bobby Valentine. Valentine was later replaced midseason by Toby Harrah. --> In 1985, after Doug Rader led the Rangers to (exact number of seasons) losing seasons, he was replaced by Bobby Valentine, who in turn was replaced by Toby Harrah during the midseason.
  • Done. I still need to fill in exact number of seasons though. RyanCross @ 21:24, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • In 2001, Johnny Oates's poor performance forced the Rangers to hire Jerry Narron midseason. - ++as his replacement during the midseason after Narron's name.
  • The current manager of the Texas Rangers is Ron Washington, who has led the team since 2007. - ++managed not led
  • The color on the fifth entry should only cover his name, not the whole row per previous passed FLCs
  • See List of Philadelphia Phillies managers for an example of an FL prose.
    • Footnotes need to be added to the article as seen in the above FL
  • The table says that statistics are correct as of the 2007 season, yet the 2008 season just occurred, so it needs to be updated.SRX 00:54, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Support - the list now meets WP:WIAFL.--SRX 16:32, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
    • Support, all issues resolved. I found and fixed the dab, so you don't have to worry about it. Cheers, Dabomb87 (talk) 22:13, 30 December 2008 (UTC) [reply]
    Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

    Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

    • "The only Rangers manager to lead the team to the playoffs"-->The only Rangers manager to have led the team to the playoffs...
    • "There have been thirteen interim managers in Rangers history." "thirteen"-->13.
    • "After six games, it was decided Connie Ryan"-->After six games, it was decided that Connie Ryan...
    • The placeholding 0s before the decimal points are unnecessary. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:29, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:29, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    Support - All issues resolved. Nice work. -NatureBoyMD (talk) 16:35, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    Resolved comments by NatureBoyMD

    Comments from NatureBoyMD

    • (image caption) "Ron Washington (left), the current manager of the Rangers"
    • "Frank Lucchesi" should be linked in the prose.
    • There are five instances of the term "the midseason." The mid season isn't a specific time in a season like the pre-season or the post-season. The only way "the midseason" might be correct is if you meant at the All-Star break (even then, you should specify at the All-Star break). Try replacing "the midseson" with just "midseason" or a specific date or just a month.

    -NatureBoyMD (talk) 00:26, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    All resolved. — RyanCross (talk) 05:08, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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