Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 TV series) episodes/archive1
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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 23:32, 30 September 2017 (UTC) [1].[reply]
List of Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 TV series) episodes (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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- Nominator(s): PanagiotisZois (talk) 20:56, 11 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
As the title suggest, this is a list for the episodes of Transformers: Robots in Disguise, the sequel series to Transformers: Prime. The show's first season aired its 26 episodes during 2015 and the second one had 13 eps in 2016. Later that same year, a 6-episode miniseries featuring Starscream was aired. The show is currently on its third, and hopefully not final, season. I worked on this page mostly by looking at other F-episode-L like Avatar and Eve. PanagiotisZois (talk) 20:56, 11 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Aoba47
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Great work with this list. Once my comments are addressed, I will support this. Aoba47 (talk) 14:41, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply] |
- I will support this as I believe that all of my major concerns have been addressed. Aoba47 (talk) 04:21, 17 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comments by Slightlymad
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The prose is well-written already, but I did a minor copyedit for unneeded links, spelling and punctuation, and use of contractions which is a discouraged practice in encyclopedic writing per MOS:N'T. The following are my thoughts on the list:
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And that's it. I'll put this onto my watchlist so no need to ping me when they're done. Comments generally resolved, Supporting. Slightlymad (talk) 15:07, 16 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you. PanagiotisZois (talk) 15:41, 17 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Freikorp
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I'd be happy to support this now if it wasn't for the two un-referenced single sentence paragraphs at the end of the lead. I really think you need a citation for both of these statements, and at the very least they could be merged together to form a slightly larger paragraph. Considering how short this information is though I'd either try and flesh it out or merge it with an existing paragraph. Freikorp (talk) 00:43, 13 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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- Support. Don't feel obligated, but I'm looking for comments on my FLC. Cheers. Freikorp (talk) 11:01, 13 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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[edit]At this point, I'd advise the nominator to take a look at this thread, as a bunch of us were concerned about episode titles, directors, and writers not being cited in the list in question, which is similar to this one. I'd feel uncomfortable promoting the list if the information remains uncited; I'm willing to say that plot information can be assumed to be covered by a given episode, but for these items I'd want to see sourcing. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:16, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- OK, just so I'm sure I understand what the discussion was about. You want me to find a source that cites the episodes' titles, directors and writers? Because something tells me it's gonna be near impossible. PanagiotisZois (talk) 21:27, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- @PanagiotisZois: I think that the consensus from the thread was to cite the episodes directly (and correct me if I am wrong about this @Giants2008:). I just do not agree with that method personally, as it is already assumed that the episodes are the primary sources themselves, and it would also unnecessarily bulk up the references section. If this is to become the new standard for these types of lists, then I would imagine a large discussion and consensus would need to be developed in the future. Just wanted to help out a little with this. Aoba47 (talk) 13:51, 18 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- The clear consensus from that discussion was that some kind of reference should be provided for verifiability. I wouldn't say that there was a strong consensus in favor of a particular citation method, though. One user suggested citing the episodes directly; others suggested using general references for the purpose. The latter method was ultimately used, with references to episode lists from TV Guide and Futon Critic. This offered the advantage of having refs from third parties, and was less work for the nominator than citing all of the individual episodes would have been; it also didn't add much of the bulk that Aoba is concerned about. Perhaps this idea could be considered here? The delegates can do what they like and I'll support their decision, but I'm not planning on promoting the list myself if some sourcing is not provided. Giants2008 (Talk) 17:33, 19 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- @Giants2008: I checked Futon Critic and it doesn't provide either the directors or writers of the episodes. Some episodes don't even have their own page there. As for TV Guide, for some reason I can't currently access the site as it's taking too long to load but if I'm not mistaken, that doesn't offer that information either. PanagiotisZois (talk) 19:43, 19 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, there must be something reliable that can source such basic facts. The episodes themselves should suffice if nothing else is available, but the details really should be cited by something. Giants2008 (Talk) 20:25, 26 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- To be honest, I just don't see why we need to cite the writers and directors when the episodes themselves provide that type of information in their credits. Depending on the show we're talking about we would need to add an extra 100 citations just for that and for old or obscure shows, it's likely meeting that criteria would be next to impossible and highly limit the number of pages who can become featured lists. So, unless citing directors and writers has 100% become a rule for features lists, I'm gonna have to decline following through with that suggestion. Besides, this is Transformers: Robots in Disguise we're talking about, not Game of Thrones. Even if I wanted to, which I did try, there just don't seem to be any reliable sources that provide such information. PanagiotisZois (talk) 22:51, 26 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- If we're going with the "general ref" precedent Giants is trying to set, the TV guide ref works fine for this- the information isn't all on one page, you have to click cast and then select which member you want and it tells you what episodes they worked on, but if that's fine elsewhere then it's fine here. I've added it, spotchecks work out, source review passed, lets get this off the bottom of the FLC list. --PresN 02:08, 30 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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