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The list was promoted by SchroCat 15:40, 4 June 2015 [1].

List of accolades received by Kaminey[edit]

List of accolades received by Kaminey (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s): —Prashant 14:12, 4 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I feel that it meets the FL-criteria. It provides a listing of the notable awards and nominations received by the 2009 caper thriller Kaminey, one of the best films in Indian cinema and best film of the previous decade.—Prashant 14:12, 4 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If that's one of the best films in Indian cinema heaven help Indian cinema..♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:47, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I still remember that Doctor! Especially this : "I've sure there's a lot of young working class males in India in which the classic action film would appeal to without song and dance numbers. I saw Kaminey a few weeks back and I thought the song and dance numbers ruined what would have otherwise been a good film. You can't produce a serious, gritty crime film and have them break out into that!" at Andha Naal's GAR. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 04:44, 7 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Best film of the previous decade, Seriously? —Vensatry (ping) 13:23, 7 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Pavanjandhyala[edit]

Ahem, Okay. Here are a few issues i listed below which i expect the nominator to either rectify them or give an explanation regarding the same here if required.

  • "The film is set in the Mumbai underworld, telling the story of twins Charlie and Guddu Sharma and their rivalry" — it can be rephrased as Set in the Mumbai underworld, the film focuses on the lives of and rivalry between twins Charlie and Guddu Sharma
  • "Kaminey was released on 14 August 2009 to universal critical acclaim and box-office success, the film grossed over ₹710 million (US$11 million) from its ₹350 million (US$5.6 million) budget" — it can be rephrased as Made on a budget of ₹350 million (US$4.4 million), Kaminey released on 14 August 2009 to universal critical acclaim and was a commercial success, grossing over ₹710 million (US$8.9 million).
  • "Rated as the "Best film of the year" by multiple commentators, the film is now considered a cult classic." — two issues. Who are these "commentators""? Critics or celebrities or both? And it would be better to replace "the film is now considered a cult classic" with the film achieved cult status.
  • Manisha Rege is the author of reference number 19. Why isn't she mentioned?
  • Apasara Awards is wikilinked for the second time in reference number 25.
Done.—Prashant 06:40, 7 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Now, it has my Support. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 09:26, 7 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Kailash[edit]

  • say caper thriller film, not in italics.
  • I'd prefer, "Set against the backdrop of the Mumbai underworld". And is the link the desired one?
  • "The director co-wrote" - mention his surname.

More coming soon... Kailash29792 (talk) 14:52, 8 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Done.—Prashant 15:32, 8 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
What I asked was, "Mumbai underworld" redirects to The Indian Mafia, which is a single Indian crime organisation rather than the entire crime industry in the country. Is that still what you mean to link to?

"Removed.—Prashant 19:12, 8 May 2015 (UTC) My other comments are:[reply]

  • Is the translation of Kaminey deliberately omitted in the lead section?
Yes, that is already in the main article.—Prashant 19:12, 8 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is there any source that states the film got universal acclaim?
  • "Bhardwaj also composed the musical score" - do you mean soundtrack? Cos "score" means only background music.
After this, there are only minor issues left, all relating to prose, which I'll take care of. Once my comments have been addressed, this article has my support. Kailash29792 (talk) 16:19, 8 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Done.—Prashant 19:12, 8 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support: Hope this article passes FLC. Kailash29792 (talk) 19:28, 8 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support Looks in good shape, I made some copyedits. I wish the nominator had not prompted me to review this again just 3 days after notifying me though.♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:10, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – A separate list for a film with just 10 awards (that too most of the ceremonies being minor ones), for an accolades list seriously? If we talk about major awards, the film has just one award from Filmfare and NFA. Sreekar Prasad's Special Jury award wasn't exclusively for this film. Also, I see no mention about the prestigious Shantaram Awards, where the film received four nominations. I feel the list lacks comprehensiveness. That said, I'm not against the promotion of this list, as this seems to be a problem with a majority of the Indian film lists. —Vensatry (ping) 09:36, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Added a footnote for Sreekar Prasad's Jury Award. As far as Shantaram Awards is concerned, not a single source is present for that.—Prashant 15:50, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • (edit conflict) I'm not cooking up anything here. The sources lie before you as well. How can we trust that enough research has been made to write this article? —Vensatry (ping) 20:13, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You need to improve your googlefu, here's what I got by searching for Kaminey Shantaram. [[2]]. Source for four nominations. Cowlibob (talk) 20:01, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the source. I have added the V Shantaram Awards.—Prashant 20:32, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from FrankBoy CHITCHAT 12:36, 24 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
*The image's caption - "for their performance" → "for their respective performances".
  • WP:ALT needed for the image.
  • "Bhardwaj co-wrote the film's screenplay..." - IMO, the "after he bought the script for US$4,000 from a Kenyan writer" sentence in the line does not need to be here as it has got nothing to do with an accolades list.
  • You have mentioned about the critical acclaim of the movie in second paragraph. While there is a ref (a review of a critic), I see that there is no source actually indicating that the movie received "critical acclaim".
  • "It received a leading nineteen 19 nominations" - as numbers higher than 9 are usually in numerical figures.
  • All of the "recipient(s) and nominee(s)", including the repeated names, need to be linked as the table is sortable.
  • The names under "recipient(s) and nominee(s)" need to be sorted by their last names; see this if you need guidance. -- FrankBoy CHITCHAT 18:41, 22 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Done. —Prashant 14:27, 23 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The last one is not done in a proper way. Please have a look at this. -- FrankBoy CHITCHAT 11:11, 24 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Done.—Prashant 12:08, 24 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Considering a list with only 10 awards, I'mma abstain from supporting. Good luck though. -- FrankBoy CHITCHAT 12:36, 24 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@FrB.TG:This list has the similar number of award wins (16) and it is a featured list. Does it help?—Prashant 12:40, 27 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Well in that case I support the nomination. However, Prashant!, there is still a problem with the list, which requires a fix, which I'ma do myself instead of suggesting it here. -- FrankBoy CHITCHAT 15:03, 27 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Is there any problem with sorting? I cannot figure that out. Would you like to explain?—Prashant 12:24, 27 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Try sorting the columns in both ascending and descending order.--Skr15081997 (talk) 14:48, 27 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Is it alright now?—Prashant 06:17, 28 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
No.--Skr15081997 (talk) 07:18, 28 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The sorting is similar to other Bollywood FLs, Would you like to be specific? Any suggestions?—Prashant 12:09, 29 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I have done some fixes to the sorting. Skr, do you have a say? -- FrankBoy CHITCHAT 16:14, 29 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not able to sort the columns in both ascending and descending order. I have tried this with List of accolades received by The Dirty Picture. On that page when I click on the column headers, the list gets sorted. When I click again it is sorted accordingly, but here the columns get stuck on "sort ascending".--Skr15081997 (talk) 06:28, 30 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I just checked and the problem does exist. I tried to fix it. But, was unable to do so. Do you have any knowledge about solving it?—Prashant 11:50, 30 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think some name or strings entered in the list has caused this trouble.--Skr15081997 (talk) 12:23, 30 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
How to find and fix it? Its tiring. Checked it yet again but, still the same.—Prashant 13:08, 30 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Finally fixed the problem. Phew, now the table can be sorted easily. —Prashant 13:30, 30 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I myself made minor changes to the article and am glad to support it now.--Skr15081997 (talk) 06:09, 1 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Cowlibob (talk) 02:03, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
*Plot summary is way too vague. "Way of living"? Also maybe include that the film takes place over 24 hours.
  • We can't say that a film was rated the best of the year by several publications by citing a couple of people who rated it as the best. It becomes a POV issue. A source needs to be provided that covers lots of publications and gives a summary saying something like it was rated best of the year or topped these lists.
  • I also don't need see where the film's "cult status" is mentioned in the cited references. Cult film is a specific term, and I don't see how Kaminey fits.
  • The National Film Award Special Mention for Prasad wasn't only for Kaminey but also two Malayali films so it's not right to say the film won the award in the lead. You should specify that it was Prasad who won it.
  • Link Prasad for the win of the Screen Award for Best Editing. Also link Chandan for Stardust award.
  • Subhash Sahoo is spelt differently in the table for different awards. Meghana's name is also spelt differently for different awards.
  • We have an articles on Shajith Koyeri, and P. M. Satheesh so link them. Cowlibob (talk) 16:50, 30 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Done. I have corrected everything you have mentioned, except second bit about "Best film of the year". I cannot find a single source because Indian media does not aggregate reviews or covers best film of the year with care. Since, the reputed critics published their respective list, so I had cited.—Prashant 18:07, 30 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Then it is unsourced so we can't say it. Cowlibob (talk) 05:45, 31 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I have removed that claim.—Prashant 09:50, 31 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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