Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of awards and nominations received by Coldplay/archive2
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List of awards and nominations received by Coldplay[edit]
List of awards and nominations received by Coldplay (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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- Nominator(s): GustavoCza (talk) 02:18, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I am nominating this for featured list because as boring as it sounds, I do think it meets the criteria. All the awards, listicles and world records have sources attached to them now and my editions for it were based on lists that are already featured, such as Taylor Swift's. The makeover to a current template was done almost completely by myself, meaning that the list is not subject to edit wars either. I have also found over 100 lost awards and made sure to verify that everything is an actual physical accolade in order to avoid credibility problems. I believe without a doubt that this is the best version of Coldplay's awards and nomination list, so it would be very nice to have my contributions recognized!
P.S. I'm not really into Wikipedia that much so please be patient with me. GustavoCza (talk) 02:18, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:54, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[reply] |
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Resolved comments from RunningTiger123 (talk) 23:36, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply] |
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In addition to any remaining comments from ChrisTheDude, particularly regarding citation formatting, here's what I've got.
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- Support – RunningTiger123 (talk) 02:56, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Support – ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:31, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Support – zmbro (talk) 13:21, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose from TRM[edit]
- "in London by" no need to link common locations such as London.
- Solved. –GustavoCza (talk) 17:25, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Our article on Coldplay (a Good Article no less) calls them a rock band, not an alternative rock band.
- Solved. –GustavoCza (talk) 17:25, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Where are the members and their roles referenced?
- "band formed in London by Chris Martin (lead vocals, piano), Jonny Buckland (guitar), Guy Berryman (bass guitar), Will Champion (drums, percussion) and Phil Harvey (creative direction)". This is their line up since 1996.
- I asked where it was referenced, not to just repeat the sentence. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 15:32, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Solved. –GustavoCza (talk) 17:25, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I asked where it was referenced, not to just repeat the sentence. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 15:32, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- "band formed in London by Chris Martin (lead vocals, piano), Jonny Buckland (guitar), Guy Berryman (bass guitar), Will Champion (drums, percussion) and Phil Harvey (creative direction)". This is their line up since 1996.
- "the United Kingdom and" you've already used UK.
- Solved. –GustavoCza (talk) 17:25, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- "the Brit Awards" - the isn't part of the name.
- Solved. –GustavoCza (talk) 17:25, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- "Aice Awards", "Berlin Music Video Awards" etc. If these awards aren't notable enough for Wikipedia articles, then I doubt they should be considered here. Same with the listicles.
- Found the Wiki page for the first. I made sure to search for all of those and they give out proper physical awards, so I don't see why not getting included. The Berlin Music Video Awards has been mentioned by multiple media vehicles. –GustavoCza (talk) 17:25, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- https://www.promonews.tv/news/2018/05/29/berlin-music-video-awards-2018-winners/53317
- https://portalpopline.com.br/xenia-franca-e-baco-exu-do-blues-tem-clipes-nominados-no-berlin-music-video-awards-saiba-mais/
- https://jornaldebrasilia.com.br/blogs-e-colunas/analice-nicolau/fred-ouro-preto/
- https://vogue.globo.com/lifestyle/cultura/noticia/2021/06/urias-sobre-primeiro-album-raiva-de-ter-que-provar-que-sou-melhor-me-serviu-como-combustivel.html
- If they're not considered notable by Wikipedia's notability guidelines then I don't think they should be here. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 15:32, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- They clearly have media coverage as I just showed though, they're just not so popular. And that doesn't seem to be a problem to the other three people who are supporting the nomination. –GustavoCza (talk) 17:25, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I can't speak for other reviewers. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 17:26, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Everything else is solved, come on! But anyway, can you at least put the other comments in a box? –GustavoCza (talk) 19:42, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I can't speak for other reviewers. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 17:26, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- They clearly have media coverage as I just showed though, they're just not so popular. And that doesn't seem to be a problem to the other three people who are supporting the nomination. –GustavoCza (talk) 17:25, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- If they're not considered notable by Wikipedia's notability guidelines then I don't think they should be here. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 15:32, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Found the Wiki page for the first. I made sure to search for all of those and they give out proper physical awards, so I don't see why not getting included. The Berlin Music Video Awards has been mentioned by multiple media vehicles. –GustavoCza (talk) 17:25, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Sortable table means linked items should be linked every time.
- Is that a new guideline? I went trough multiple featured lists and they don't link the songs and categories all the time. –GustavoCza (talk) 17:25, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- No, it's not new. Other stuff exists. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 17:26, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Solved. –GustavoCza (talk) 19:37, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- No, it's not new. Other stuff exists. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 17:26, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Is that a new guideline? I went trough multiple featured lists and they don't link the songs and categories all the time. –GustavoCza (talk) 17:25, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- "The band established eight world records during their career" makes it sound like their career is over.
- Solved. –GustavoCza (talk) 17:25, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- What is Songkick?
- Songkick. –GustavoCza (talk) 17:25, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Foreign lang refs need
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parameter.- Solved. –GustavoCza (talk) 17:25, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Avoid SHOUTING in ref titles.
- Solved. –GustavoCza (talk) 17:25, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
First pass done.The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 13:18, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I have to oppose until the inclusion of awards considered non-notable by Wikipedia standards are removed. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 21:38, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I'll come back to discuss this. I don't have an issue with including awards that lack Wikipedia articles, but those awards should generally be sourced using reliable secondary sources instead of primary sources in order to demonstrate some degree of notability. So, for example, the Phoenix Film Critics Society Award in this list is notable enough for inclusion because the listed award is sourced to a local news source. On the other hand, things like the Žebřík Music Awards are currently sourced to primary sources such as this, which fails to demonstrate notability, and these awards should therefore be removed. I won't change my vote, but I can see why TRM might be concerned. Just my two cents. RunningTiger123 (talk) 19:26, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- What if the awards show in question gained notability over the years though? The BreakTudo Awards for example is covered by secondary sources nowadays but it's hard to find publications about older editions.
- The Live UK Music Business Awards is another example, they are notable to be covered by Complete Music Update, but I had a hard time looking for Coldplay's nominations: https://completemusicupdate.com/article/live-uk-music-business-awards-nominees-announced/
- As for the Nordic Music Awards sources are from Verdens Gang, the most read online newspaper in Norway, with about 2 million daily readers.
- –GustavoCza (talk) 19:39, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- That's not a problem for me personally, but I suppose I'm not the one who needs to be convinced. RunningTiger123 (talk) 01:02, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I'll come back to discuss this. I don't have an issue with including awards that lack Wikipedia articles, but those awards should generally be sourced using reliable secondary sources instead of primary sources in order to demonstrate some degree of notability. So, for example, the Phoenix Film Critics Society Award in this list is notable enough for inclusion because the listed award is sourced to a local news source. On the other hand, things like the Žebřík Music Awards are currently sourced to primary sources such as this, which fails to demonstrate notability, and these awards should therefore be removed. I won't change my vote, but I can see why TRM might be concerned. Just my two cents. RunningTiger123 (talk) 19:26, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I have to oppose until the inclusion of awards considered non-notable by Wikipedia standards are removed. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 21:38, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Well, this nomination certainly stalled out... I'm going to have to second the oppose, though. The general guideline for "awards" lists is that every award needs to be notable to be included, because otherwise you could fill out any popular band's list with hundreds of minor awards, and the way this is done is that an award is notable if it can support its own article (thereby meeting notability policies). I don't think that using a secondary source (re: RunningTiger123) is good enough- a local paper covering a local award doesn't cut it. Please remove the non-notable awards or else we'll need to drop the nomination, sorry. --PresN 13:31, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Done. GustavoCza (talk) 00:41, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- @The Rambling Man: Does this address your concerns, or are you still opposed? --PresN 01:00, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose struck. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 08:12, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- @The Rambling Man: Could you wrap up your comments in a box like the others? Thank you! -- GustavoCza (talk) 05:50, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- No, that's not necessary. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 07:18, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- @The Rambling Man: Could you wrap up your comments in a box like the others? Thank you! -- GustavoCza (talk) 05:50, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose struck. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 08:12, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- @The Rambling Man: Does this address your concerns, or are you still opposed? --PresN 01:00, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Source review[edit]
Okay, I was just going to clean up some of the references myself and then promote, but I'm seeing some concerns in the sourcing that need to be cleared up first, so:
- The "website" parameter of references should be the name of the website, not the actual url- so not acclaimedmusic.net, but Acclaimed Music (you have this correct sometimes, but not consistently). Same goes for GRAMMY.com, fonogram.hu (and www.fonogram.hu), www.flare.com, etc.
- Solved. -- GustavoCza (talk) 05:50, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- If a title is in a non-English language (e.g. 第23回日本ゴールドディスク大賞), then add a |trans-title parameter (e.g. |trans-title=The 23rd Japan Gold Disc Award). Additionally, if a title is using non-latin characters (again e.g. 第23回日本ゴールドディスク大賞), then instead of |title=第23回日本ゴールドディスク大賞 do |script-title=ja:第23回日本ゴールドディスク大賞.
- Solved. -- GustavoCza (talk) 05:50, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- This is the one I tripped on: what makes www.amiannoying.com a reliable source?
- I replaced those. This website is used in Forbes Celebrity 100 so I thought it was fine. -- GustavoCza (talk) 05:50, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Spotchecks seem alright. --PresN 15:04, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- @PresN: Is everything alright now? I only edited things yesterday because the notifications ended up buried in my emails. -- GustavoCza (talk) 4 December 2021
- Image review – The one photo in the article has an acceptable license (CC BY-SA 4.0), and alt text has been included. No complaints here. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:17, 8 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{featured list candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Giants2008 (Talk) 23:05, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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