Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of awards and nominations received by Maya Angelou/archive1

Add links
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by Hahc21 10:02, 8 March 2013 (UTC) [1].[reply]

List of awards and nominations received by Maya Angelou[edit]

List of awards and nominations received by Maya Angelou (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Toolbox


I am nominating this for featured list because it's one of the last steps in the long process of the establishment of a Maya Angelou featured topic. It's very ready to be declared a FL. The sources are strictly accurate. Please enjoy. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 06:24, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 20:32, 2 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose based on a quick run-through....
  • Any reason why this information isn't tabulated? It would be useful to understand why/for what she won each award, and what each award is actually about.
What would this look like? I did a short search of other lists of awards, but most of them were for artists and entertainers who, for example, won the same award more than once, like the Oscars or People's Choice Awards. I found no comparable list of awards won by authors. Most of the awards that Angelou won, especially the honorary degrees, were given to her once. Also, many sources don't provide that information anyway, and most are linked when possible. Could you provide some more direction regarding what you're asking?
Well since fewer than half of the "awards" you've listed have a Wikipedia page, I'm think it would be useful to our readers to have some kind of description of what the award is about, perhaps if possible why it was awarded to Angelou etc. In other words, why are awards that Wikipedia currently consider non-notable seemingly the majority of the awards she won? Regarding a format, look at any of the recent awards FLs, there are a couple of formats to choose from. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:48, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Good enough. I'll get to work on this shortly. See my response to Reywas92 below. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 07:11, 21 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Don't need the {{main}} at the top of this list since you introduce the main topic in the lead.
Easily done.
  • "presidential committees" what's one of those?
I think you're asking me to define "presidential committees"? Personally, I think it's fairly obvious; committees created by presidents. I changed the sentence: She has served on two presidential committees, for Gerald Ford in 1975 and for Jimmy Carter in 1977. Is that enough? If not, I'm not sure how to define it, so I'm inclined to simply removed the sentence.
We're not all Americans, so I'm not such what the point of being on a "presidential committee" is, what they do, what powers it confers etc. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:48, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • If the Lincoln medal is prominent, why isn't it linked in the lead?
I noticed that this award wasn't included in this list! So I fixed that error. I put it in the lead because I assumed it was presidential, and found that it has more to do with the Ford Theatre than the office of the U.S. president. So I removed mentioning it in the lead.
  • "Over 30 health care and medical facilities have been named after Angelou,[1] and she has been awarded over fifty honorary degrees.[2]" this list has no mention of health care facilities, and certainly doesn't include "over fifty" honorary degrees, so I guess the list is incomplete?
You're right, it is incomplete. It should have {{Dynamic list}} as a result, so it's been added.
  • " 1975-1976" en-dash required, and WP:YEAR would remove the second "19".
Got it, thanks for the catch.
  • Ref 36 is showing a bare URL.
And another catch!
  • Ref 14 should use an unspaced en-dash, not a spaced em-dash.
  • Ref 42 is showing a bare URL.
  • Ref 61 should use an en-dash.
  • Ref 50 is showing a bare URL.
  • Year ranges should use en-dashes, not em-dashes throughout.
Got all the above, thanks again for the catches.
  • Ref 37, for example, why is BBC a work (i.e. in italics) and not a publisher?
This discussion [2]] notwithstanding, I disagree with the recommendations within. Yes, I actually disagree with the venerable SandyGeorgia! ;) I disagree that on-line news sources shouldn't be italicized, and since the BBC is a news source, it should be italicized. Personally, in the instance in the discussion, I'd italicize ESPN. I do agree with the result of the discussion: that it should be consistent, and for this list, it is. Thanks for the valuable feedback; I await more from you, sir. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 23:45, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 17:37, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak Oppose I concur with some of TRM's statements, such as the mention of medical facilities in the lead but nowhere else and the lack of all fifty honorary degrees mentioned. I would expect an FL to be generally complete and without the dynamic tag. Many items listed as awards are not awards at all, including memberships to councils, being a lecturer and inaugural poet, and being named Ambassador to UNICEF. I think this would be better titled List of honors received by Maya Angelou, though the scope of that would still need to be better defined; the UNICEF position isn't the same kind of honor as others. Reywas92Talk 17:35, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I've just moved the page as recommended, since it's very reasonable and well-reasoned. Thanks. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 00:20, 21 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I've been convinced about changing the format of this list to tabulated, so I'll tackle it next. I feel like I should explain why certain items have been included and others have not. Mostly it's due to whether or not something can be sourced with reliable references. The New York Times has said that Angelou has been given fifty honorary degrees, and that's referenced here, but there isn't a definitive list of them, not even by Gillespie et. al. And there's certainly not a definitive list of every honor she's ever received. She's been honored in different ways compared to other authors/performers/entertainers/artists. For most of the subjects of these kinds of lists, their honors can be defined and divided in specific ways, like acting or music awards. Angelou's awards are so varied, they can't be separated in traditional ways. That's a challenge, so please be patient while I figure it out. I'm also wondering, after going through this experience, if this list is eligible to be a FL; all it may have the potential for is a GA, which I can accept because I understand that not all articles/lists should be featured. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 07:26, 21 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment what would you like to do Christine? If you're going to overhaul it, I'd suggest a withdrawal. If you're going for GA, then obviously this nomination is no longer relevant. Let me know what you think. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:58, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have started to overhaul it, see here [3]. It's my intention to continue, and to perhaps finish in a few days. All it's required is reformatting the information in a list and writing up a short blurb about each honor. The sticking point I can see here is the honorary degrees. It's never going to be a definite list, not without some primary research. If the reviewers think that's in the way of this being a FL, then I'll withdraw, work on the formatting, and submit it to GAC. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 20:21, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, well let's give it a few days and see where we go from there. No stress. Oh, and we have {{incomplete list}} for a reason! No problem with that being used.... The Rambling Man (talk) 20:24, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Dude thanks! Appreciate it. ;) Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 22:24, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Update: so I've finally completed formatting/expanding the table. Please tell me if the formatting's off or can be improved. For those who have a better grasp at tables than I have, could you please tell me what we can do about the image of MA with Pres. Obama, and how we can increase the size of the table? Thanks. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 23:20, 30 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I would convert the table into a wikitable. Some notes are not referenced as far as I can see.--Tomcat (7) 12:09, 7 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Wikitable done. The references in the far-right column ("References") correspond to everything in its row. If I have to cite every cell, I'll just remove that column. That seems like over-citing to me, though. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 17:04, 7 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as references for the claims in the second columns likely exist, I see no reason to view the content as original research. I think everything is in order. Regards.--Tomcat (7) 20:21, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • "African American" normally hyphenated or en-dash, can't recall which.
Hyphenated when modifying a noun or verb, as in "African-American writers". I re-checked, and the only error was the lead, which I fixed. Thanks for the catch.
  • "Maya Angelou, reciting..." no need to repeat her first name.
Got it.
  • "the longest-running record (two years) on" sorry, was it a record or a book?
A book; I changed the phrasing so that it's clearer.
  • When I sort by year, the first sort shouldn't make any difference as the table should be originally in chronological order, but things move....
  • No need for the References column to be sortable.
  • Similarly, since the Notes column is free text, no need for it to be sortable.
Fixed.
  • Be consistent with your use of periods at the end of the notes.
Pretty sure I got 'em all.
  • Avoid using acronyms when you haven't explained them (e.g. NAACP).
  • "1975.[49]" no need for those periods, any of them, in that section.
Finished addressing all the above.

The Rambling Man (talk) 20:14, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

All done; thanks. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 22:38, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.
Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Featured_list_candidates/List_of_awards_and_nominations_received_by_Maya_Angelou/archive1&oldid=1046550059"