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The list was promoted by NapHit 15:05, 13 October 2012 [1].

List of awards and nominations received by Ricardo Arjona[edit]

List of awards and nominations received by Ricardo Arjona (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s): — ΛΧΣ21™ 18:26, 30 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Arjona has won and been nominated for numerous awards; he has won one Grammy Award and one Latin Grammy Award, both for his tenth studio album, Adentro (2005). He has been nominated five times at the Billboard Latin Music Awards and four times at the Lo Nuestro Awards. Overall, Arjona has received 13 awards from 57 nominations. I wrote this list from zero and now, after completely rewriting it, i consider it is ready for the bronze star. — ΛΧΣ21™ 18:26, 30 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Erick (talk) 22:41, 30 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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  • I spotted some missing awards Billboard Latin Music awards of 1999. Again in 1995 in 2004 for an ASCAP award. I highly suggesting going through the physical Billboard magazines on Google Books by year to check for anymore awards or nominations prior to 2006 as they're not posted on the internet.
  • Some of the refs are missing the language parameter.
  • Some of the works and publishers need to be linked (i.e Cadena 3 should be linked as Cadenatres, Terra Networks). Also, the publisher for Terra Networks is Telefónica.
  • I noticed that some of the articles are not linked (such as El Problema).
  • The nominations for the 2012 Latin Grammy Awards just came out and Arjona has four nominations so it needs to be updated. Use the pending template until the winners are announced.

Erick (talk) 19:59, 30 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks for your comments. I have fixed all above and added some extra awards I found on Google Books for Si EL Norte Fuera El Sur and "Detrás De Mi Ventana". Anything else? :) — ΛΧΣ21™ 21:08, 30 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oh and I cannot link Cadena 3 to Cadenatres because the former is from Argentina and the latter is from Mexico. — ΛΧΣ21™ 21:13, 30 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, good catch, I don't know how I didn't see that haha. I should have mentioned this earlier, but you only need to link one instance for work and publisher, not multiple times per WP:OVERLINK. My bad. Lastly, what still needs to be fixed is that 2012 Latin Grammy nominations is supposed to be using the pending template, not the nominated because the winners have not been announced yet until November. Erick (talk) 21:24, 30 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
OOh of course! I will change them to pending. And pliz, don't make me unlink all that stuff u.u. I will do it slowly XD — ΛΧΣ21™
Done all — ΛΧΣ21™ 21:41, 30 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Jonatalk to me 23:36, 6 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
;Comments from AJona1992
  • Remove the sentences about the number of albums bowing at number one, this is an awards list not a discography ;)
  • Well, other featured lists of this type include in the first paragraph a brief information of the discography of the artist.
    • Yeah like how many albums the singer released. Best, Jonatalk to me 01:15, 1 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also the information about his debut album is not necessary
  • Mmm okay. I can remove this.
  • I think the awards and nominations he has received should start the second para not that he has won "numerous" awards which is a WP:PEA-like word. Best, Jonatalk to me 22:51, 30 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Changed "numerous" with "several", which is not PEA. And, again as other featured lists like this, the number of awards and nominations are written at the end of the lead. Anything else? — ΛΧΣ21™ 22:57, 30 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support but can you wikilink Guatemala? Best, Jonatalk to me 23:21, 6 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks! And of course I can ;) — ΛΧΣ21™ 23:27, 6 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Zac  23:45, 6 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Zac
  • Shouldn't the awards be in ABC order?
  • No. And actually, they are ordered by the importance of the awards.
  • Whose to say the Latin Grammy Awards are not more important than the Grammy Awards for a Latin artist? ABC order is a must. Zac  23:45, 6 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not really a fan of the lead. The first paragraph reads as if it was taken from a discography article, it just doesn't flow well. I think that mentioning album's and works in order of when they occurred, and then the awards it received would be the best way to do this.

Zac  02:42, 1 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 12:00, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "The singer received his first ASCAP..." abbreviations should be spelt on first use, otherwise they are no use to a reader who does not know what the acronym stands for
  • Not keen on sentences starting with "In..." its poor prose. I would re-jig sentences that start with the prefix
  • "in the category Best Latin Pop Album" -> in the Best Latin Pop album category
  • "Arjona shared the award with Mexican singer Julieta Venegas, whom was awarded for Limón y Sal (2006)." This should be referenced, as it won't be referenced in the tables

NapHit (talk) 20:02, 4 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • I believe I have fixed them all. Thank you for your comments. — ΛΧΣ21™ 23:12, 4 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 14:24, 6 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Tables don't meet WP:ACCESS, add scope rows and cols, as well as table captions, to ensure it does
  • Any external links?

TBrandley 23:16, 4 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Tables are written using the {{awards table}}. The colours are standard for this type of lists, so i don't see where it doesn't meet accessibility. Also, this is a list of awards, i consider that it does not need any external links, IMO. — ΛΧΣ21™ 23:33, 4 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • OK, thanks for looking! So, add some scope="row"s to the table then. TBrandley 16:26, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Now as all the issues raised by The Rambling Man were resolved, I checked the list once again and couldn't find anything wrong with it. Good job. — Tomíca(T2ME) 18:04, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 19:13, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose bit of a mess I'm afraid.
  • The infobox doesn't list all the awards/nominations, so the totals don't match the awards/noms listed. Looks odd to me.
  • "his first—and only—" just "his only..." then.
  • "Overall, Arjona has received 13 awards from 58 nominations" and infobox says 13 awards won and 44 nominations.... ?
  • Infobox again: how can he have 6 ASCAP wins from 0 nominations when he has one Grammy win from four nominations?
  • Latin Grammys, infobox says 1 win from 9 noms, the prose says "one award from fourteen nominations"....
  • Billboard: infobox says 2 from 7, prose says four from 11....
  • Please check all of these add up and are consistent.
  • "Arjona has received six awards from six nominations" table lists eight wins, infobox says 0 nominations....

The Rambling Man (talk) 09:51, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • OMG thanks! I have fixed all. Thanks. — ΛΧΣ21™ 16:22, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment didn't check too hard then! Lead says 16 awards, infobox total says 16 awards, infobox actually adds up to 18 awards. I don't see Lo Nuestro in the infobox at all. Looks like you forgot them in the lead too... The Rambling Man (talk) 07:53, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

OMG. Sorry, This have been elections day in my country and the dictator we have as president just won again. I am a little sad so I haven't checked too hard. Sorry. — ΛΧΣ21™ 17:37, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I Just checked out and Lo Nuestro was in the table, but due to a problem in the code it wasn't showing. I have fixed both the counts on the lead and on the table. Thanks again Rambling Man. — ΛΧΣ21™ 17:39, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Crisco 1492 (talk)
;Comments from Crisco 1492
  • The singer received his first American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers (ASCAP) award in 1995, after winning twice for his songs "Te Conozco" and "Detrás De Mi Ventana", the latter which he wrote for Mexican singer Yuri. - He won his first award after winning twice? This sentence doesn't have a clear topic.
  • Fixed.
  • Tagged (x2)
  • I removed the tags. The things you tagged are referenced in the article body inside their respective awards, because they are 2 awards he received and we don't need to reference all the awards on the lead. We only add a citation when we add something that is not on the article body, like "he became the first solo artist to receive Best Rock Album".
  • I notice your writing style uses a lot of unnecessary words, perhaps a way to massage the text more? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:27, 12 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I removed some unnecessary words. I guess it's better now. I am not native speaker of english and still have to improve my prose. Thanks. — ΛΧΣ21™ 15:30, 12 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on prose. Might use a little more massaging, but it seems to be acceptable. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:25, 12 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks! :) — ΛΧΣ21™ 22:34, 12 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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