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List of cities in Luhansk Oblast[edit]

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Nominator(s): Dan the Animator 04:11, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Given my current FLN List of cities in Donetsk Oblast is effectively ready and will likely be promoted in the next day or two, I'm going to go ahead and start this one. Most of the list content is copied over from the stuff I created at the Donetsk Oblast list, which was already reviewed during that article's FLN, so I'm guessing there won't be any major issues to resolve with this one. In any case tho, excited to get this one through and continue the series! Cheers, Dan the Animator 04:11, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Steelkamp

  • Do the raions cover the whole oblast or just part of the oblast? This should be explicitly mentioned in the second paragraph.
Fixed? Yup, I reworded it to say The eight raions that make up the oblast are Alchevsk... and Svatove raion but let me know if additional rewording is needed.
  • "War in Donbas" should be changed to "war in Donbas".
Fixed
Fixed
  • I don't think linking City in the table is necessary as it's an everyday word as per MOS:OVERLINK.
Removed link
  • The space before reference 15 should be removed as per MOS:REFSPACE.
Fixed
  • Why is Luhansk in italics in the table?
Luhansk is the oblast capital so I though I'd put some distinguishing feature on it similar to how other list of cities articles put an asterisk on capitals. If it helps tho, I don't mind taking it out... I didn't really expect it to be an issue.
It's just that without a key, readers might not know why Luhansk is italicised. Also, as per MOS:TABLEKEY, I don't think italics is considered accessible. A symbol is needed instead and a key used. Given that Luhansk is already mentioned as the capital in the lead, you could just do away with italicising/using a symbol in the table altogether. Otherwise, a key and symbol are needed.
Fixed I just took it out.

Steelkamp (talk) 05:21, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Steelkamp thanks for the edits and reply! Let me know if there's anything else left to do. Dan the Animator 04:45, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Steelkamp (talk) 04:48, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments[edit]

In addition to the above.....

  • Can't see any reason for the former names of cities to be in italics
Removed italics
  • None of the image captions are complete sentences, so they should not have full stops.
Fixed
  • Most of the image captions contains facts (eg "Popasna, a major railway city heavily damaged during the invasion") which are not mentioned anywhere else in the articles, so these will need to be sourced -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:36, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Added sources


  • Maybe it's my browser, but there is no black line between the header and the first row (as is between all other rows).
The table looks alright on my end (I'm using the desktop version on a Dell laptop) so could be your browser?
  • I believe the columns with numbers should be aligned to the right, so it is visually easier to compare the numbers.
I aligned the two population columns and the pop. change column to the right but it leaves excessive whitespace imo. I'll leave it on for now so you can take a look but if its alright I think its actually easier to compare the numbers with center-alignment since there's less space separating them (alternatively, if there's a way to decrease the width of the columns to get rid of at least some of the empty space, that would also work for me).
  • The images are great on desktop, but on mobile, it is simply more to scroll past before I get to the table (which is the most important thing in this list ofc). So I would recommend limiting the number of images (maybe only in the introduction).
Fixed? I didn't remove any images since I really think five images is fine (also there's no space in the intro/lead so that's not feasible) but I added in a link on the top of the images in the list section that mobile users can click to skip (jump to) the table directly, bypassing the images. Also tested it myself on mobile and it works fine! This type of link is usually used on other similar types of list articles too with images so this should solve the issue but let me know if there's anything else to do!
  • It think the table should make clear that the Ukrainian links point to another Wikipedia language version.
Fixed? I don't disagree but I can't figure out a good way to do this. I changed the title of the column to "Name (in Ukrainian Wikipedia)" but is this be too ambiguous? (e.g., some users might be unsure whether the name is actually displayed in the Ukrainian language or if the Ukrainian names are correct (since Wikipedia, in any language, is not WP:RS)). Interested to hear your thoughts about this!
  • The Commonscat template can be moved to See also, to minimize whitespace.
Fixed I just moved to the External links section instead in-line with how a lot of other articles do it.
Dajasj (talk) 20:57, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the suggestions Dajasj! Let me know if there's anything else I can do with the article (also fyi I'll also be applying any suggestions here to my other FLN List of cities in Donetsk Oblast. Cheers, Dan the Animator 01:40, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the replies!
  • I am now on another laptop, and there is no issue with the top line any more, so it was my problem...
No worries! Good thing it fixed itself! ;)
  • The column could be "Name in Ukrainian (Link to Ukrainian Wikipedia). It is a bit long, but that's not a big issue because other column names are also long.
After careful consideration and testing out a few different things, and also realizing that apparently there's an English Wikipedia page about the Ukrainian Wikipedia, I settled with: Name (on Ukrainian Wikipedia). My thoughts behind this: the link to Ukrainian Wikipedia says in its first line in the lead that it is a "Ukrainian-language...online encyclopedia" and its already implied that the name is in Ukrainian since its coming from the Ukrainian Wikipedia so the "in Ukrainian" part is redundant imo; the blue highlighting that Wikipedia projects use to indicate links to other pages already implies that the links go to the Ukrainian Wikipedia and the word "on" is sufficient for this too I think. Let me know if this title is alright with you but just to let you know, I feel strongly that this is the best choice after thinking about it quite a bit the past few days.
  • Aligning to the right looks perfect on my current screen and on mobile. You could set a "width" to these columns, so there is a max width to these columns on wider screens (where it tries to write "Population" on one line). That should limit the whitespace. Dajasj (talk) 06:40, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Dajasj! After testing out the width parameter markup, turns out its better just to keep it as-is with the right alignment and no additional markup.
@Dajasj: And I think that should covers everything! Let me know if there's anything else I can do/if the article's alright now and thanks again for all the suggestions! :) Dan the Animator 04:31, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hey @Dajasj: its been a few days now so please let me know if there's still anything holding up your support. Hope all's well! Dan the Animator 21:11, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • Not sure why there is a jump to table link, that can be removed (from both this table, and the one in Donetsk).
Earlier in the review, Dajasj suggested removing images due to the need to scroll a bit on mobile. I think the number of images is perfectly fine and works really well on desktop so to address those concerns, I added the jump link. I don't have a strong preference for keeping or removing the jump link so if Dajasj's alright with it, I can take it off.
  • This article is quite good, but the image captions need a bit of work. The cities are not smallest, or largest, as the areas are not given. They are the most populous, or have the smallest population, or some other wording.
Fixed
  • Citation for 2001 census broken for me.
Fixed? applied the same changes I made with the Donetsk list so if that one's alright now then this should be fine too.
Thanks Mattximus!!! :D Let me know if there's anything else I can do! Dan the Animator 16:40, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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