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The list was promoted by Giants2008 00:13, 17 November 2012 [1].

List of international cricket centuries by Matthew Hayden[edit]

List of international cricket centuries by Matthew Hayden (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s): —Vensatry (Ping me) 06:34, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Another centuries list, from perhaps one of the most talented cricketers. This is based on similar FLs that we have. Look forward to your comments and suggestions. —Vensatry (Ping me) 06:34, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 22:24, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "and an aggressive attitude" quote needs [with] adding before an aggressive attitude as it currently doesn't make sense.
  • and the Wisden Cricketers
  • Not keen on sentences that with "In..." its poor prose, needs revising
  • Also is there is a source that explicitly states why Hayden was named ICC ODI cricketer of the year? could do with a bit more info than because of his accomplishments with the bat, its a bit ambiguous
  • You need to explicitly state what Lara's record was, not everyone has an intimate knowledge of cricket
  • "Lara subsequently went passed Hayden's total when he scored 400 not out in a match against England in April 2004." -> Lara beat Hayden's total when he scored 400 not out in a match against England in April 2004."
  • 'Making his ODI debut in 1993,[5] Hayden's achieved his first ODI century..." -> "Hayden made his ODI debut in 1993, he achieved his first century..."
  • "Hayden's highest score of 181 not out came against New Zealand in 2007" change came to was
  • "at that time" -> at the time
  • "till date" -> to date
  • "making 658 runs" -> with 658 runs
  • "where his highest score remains 73 not out" this suggest he can still beat the total, as he has retired that is not the case, change to his highest score was 73 not out
  • Test column would be more useful, if you state what Test in the series he scored the century. See the Sunil Gavaskar list for instance
  • As we have the same number of columns in both tables, they should be the same width as one another
  • ref 1 the hyphen should be an en dash, likewise the score in ref 15
  • ref 15 also needs the date adding

NapHit (talk) 14:43, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Zia Khan 22:24, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments–
  • He has scored centuries (100 or more runs) in Test matches and One Day International (ODI) matches → He scored centuries (100 or more runs in a single innings) in Test and One Day International (ODI) matches
  • at the Adelaide Oval when he made 125 → scored 125
  • His highest score of 380 came against Zimbabwe at Perth in 2003 → for consistency Perth should be "the WACA Ground"
  • 400 not out in a match against England in April 2004. → Link England
  • He has scored centuries in each innings of a test match on two different occasions. → Test match
  • century against India in Visakhapatnam in 2001. → century against India at the Indira Priyadarshini Stadium, in 2001
  • Hayden has played nine Twenty20 International (T20I) matches,
  • period of over fifteen years → 15
  • Key table requires row scopes
  • For consistency link Yahoo Cricket, same for BBC Sport
  • Ref# 4 needs publisher
  • Your are using DMY format in tables while MDY in refeneces, be consistent
  • Link not out

Zia Khan 04:05, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

More–

  • and Wisden Cricketers of the year → link it to Wisden Cricketers of the Year
  • each innings of a test match on two different occasions. → Test
  • the Indira Priyadarshini Stadium, Visakhapatnam in 2001.[11] He made ten centuries → comma after Visakhapatnam and 10 in the next sentence
    • Comma shouldn't be there since the sentence is continuous. I've not used numerical notation for ten since this is a comparative figure. —Vensatry (Ping me) 08:48, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hayden was the leading run scorer in the tournament → run-scorer
  • where his highest score was 73 not out. → something missing there

Zia Khan 19:31, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • "Hayden made his ODI debut in 1993", try to avoid repitition from the previou paragraph → Having made or something...?
    • See NapHit's comment —Vensatry (Ping me) 08:48, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • NapHit suggested ('Making his ODI debut in 1993,[5] Hayden's achieved his first ODI century..." -> "Hayden made his ODI debut in 1993, he achieved his first century...") because "1993" is past and doesn't make sence, it should be "Having made his ODI debut"?! Zia Khan 22:24, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        • Past? I'm not getting you. —Vensatry (Ping me) 11:43, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
          • No my mistake but I'm trying to say that "Making his ODI debut in 1993,[5] Hayden's achieved his first ODI century against India at the Indira Priyadarshini Stadium, Visakhapatnam in 2001." doesn't make any sense: it appears to have a dangling modifier, and is in the wrong tense entirely. This isn't an alternative for "Hayden made his ODI debut in 1993" because had not made century in the same match. Not a big deal. Zia Khan 23:02, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – Good work. Zia Khan 23:02, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 15:54, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Since there are two people in the picture, I would make a note of which side of it is the "Matthew Hayden"
  • Link Matthew Hayden in image per WP:REPEATLINK
  • "Described as "a strong-built left-hander, an intimidating personality and [possessing] an aggressive attitude, [he] had all the ingredients that made him successful in international cricket", Hayden scored 8,625 runs in Tests and 6,133 runs in ODIs" I think that requires copy-editing, I don't understand the writing of it
    • The first part is just a quote, while the second part mentions his statistical record —Vensatry (Ping me) 08:48, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "He was named as" remove as, because it is redundant and unnecessary
  • "Hayden was" was should be is, shouldn't it?
  • "all formats of the game put together" add "with" at the beginning of that
  • In ref 43, ESPNcricinfo should be a publisher, as are all other uses of it

TBrandley 18:02, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 17:40, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Not overly keen on having the kid in the lead picture, could you crop it?
    • I'm afraid I can't do that. It's very difficult to crop Hayden's image —Vensatry (Ping me) 07:09, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • It's not that difficult, just use Paint or something. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:53, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        • The image would become too small if I crop Hayden's face. I'm a long way from an expert when it comes to working with images. Someone else can do it —Vensatry (Ping me) 06:45, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Flickr has another image that could be used in this (and other Hayden articles), worth checking it out.
    • Saw that. The face is not at all visible in the image and the present one is better by all means —Vensatry (Ping me) 07:09, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • Could use it anyway to demonstrate Hayden actually playing. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:53, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        • Doesn't the present image demonstrate Hayden? The image which you suggested also has Dhoni in the picture and someone might want to crop that one too —Vensatry (Ping me) 06:45, 29 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge opening sentences.
  • Check "organized" is AusEng (i.e. not "organised").
  • Attribution requirements suggest we need to say who said that quote about his "aggressive attitude".
  • Maybe link "bat" (in the "with the bat" quote) just in case.....
  • "to score a century for the second time in his international career" -> "to score his second international century".
  • "surpassing Brian Lara's record of 375." not referenced.
  • "He scored centuries in each innings.." who? Last person you mentioned was Lara, but this is Hayden's list...
  • Four paras in the lead seems too much for an article of this length...
    • We talk about Intro, Test, ODI and T20I+retirement phase. I absolutely don't have any idea on how to merge them —Vensatry (Ping me) 07:09, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "He made ten centuries against five different opponents.[12] He was most successful against New Zealand and India, scoring four and three centuries against each of them respectively.[12]" merge.
  • "of 181 not out was against New Zealand in 2007,[11] an Australian record at the time." -> "of 181 not out against New Zealand in 2007,[11] was an Australian record at the time."
  • " he never managed to score a century in ..." -> "he failed to score..."
  • "any of the games, where his highest" -> "any game; his highest..."
  • "After having served the Australian cricket team for a period of over 15 years," -> "After representing his country for over 15 years, Hayden retired from international cricket...."
  • "of century-makers in international cricket, with all formats of the game put together" -> "international cricket in all formats combined."
  • Don't link Hayden's name in the image captions, and don't repeat his first name.
    • I suggested that in the first place, as per WP:REPEATLINK. I disagree with that. TBrandley 16:59, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • Interesting but (a) no need to repeat the first name and (b) I see no value at all in repeating the link in the opening sentence of the lead, the lead image and the next section image. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:03, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        • Looking at WP:REPEATLINK again, it may not be "helpful for readers" if it is repeated in an image right beside the first link in lead. It would be good either way, IMO. Cheers, TBrandley 17:06, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 16:57, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 20:03, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • I know the quotes about the cricketers add some flavor to the lead section in each of these lists, but this one is not working at all grammar-wise. I suggest cutting some of it, and splitting the non-quote stat part of the sentence into its own sentence.
    • Strongly agree with your point. I find it difficult to cut the quote, perhaps you could suggest an idea. —Vensatry (Ping me) 17:00, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • I'd stop the quote after "aggressive attitude", then write "with" followed by the "all the ingredients", and a non-quote "needed for success" or something like that. Maybe that will work better grammar-wise. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:07, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        • Only thing I see left is that a quotation mark should be added before the bracketed "with". It looks better now. Giants2008 (Talk) 03:14, 8 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Done —Vensatry (Ping me) 14:33, 7 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • "surpassing Brian Lara's record of 375." It's somewhat vague what the record he broke actually is. Was it an Australian record?
  • "was against New Zealand, was an Australian record at the time." Needs "and" before the second "was".
  • No need for two South Africa cricket team links in the lead.
  • For the first sentence of the fourth paragraph, if you need two semi-colons then the structure could probably use improvement. Try making the latter part "he failed to score a century in any game, recording a high score of 73 not out" or something similar. Giants2008 (Talk) 14:25, 2 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, decent list, no remaining major issues as far as I can tell. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:55, 11 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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