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The list was promoted by Hahc21 10:01, 23 October 2013 (UTC) [1].[reply]

List of international cricket centuries by Nathan Astle[edit]

List of international cricket centuries by Nathan Astle (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s): —Vensatry (Ping me) 18:42, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Astle is one of the greatest one-day players to emerge from New Zealand. As of now, he is the only cricketer from New Zealand in the list of players with 25+ centuries at the international level. Look forward to your comments. —Vensatry (Ping me) 18:42, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: for me, at the moment, this is a clear 3(b) violation. The parent article on Nathan Astle is short, with less than 1,000 words of prose, and actually contains a version of this list (albeit a poor one). This demonstrates to me that at the moment, this list should make up part of that article, and not be a stand-alone list. Harrias talk 20:56, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Reply 27 centuries are good enough to have a stand alone article. The prose (readable) size is over 5000 chars, and not 1000 chars as mentioned by you. When an article like Abdul Qadir (cricketer), which is half the size of Astle's article can have a stand alone sub page, I think this is admissible. —Vensatry (Ping me) 05:20, 20 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I said 1,000 words, rather than characters, so my statement was correct. And I agree, the Abdul Qadir list should not have been promoted: a merge should probably be carried out to put the list into the parent article. Harrias talk 06:49, 20 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose agree with Harrias, there's no need for a content fork yet. If Astle's article was three times the size, it may be okay, but right now, this could easily fit into the main article. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:37, 20 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I request the FLC directors to give me some time. I'm in the process of expanding the parent article, and once I'm done with that I'll revert back. —Vensatry (Ping me) 12:20, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • The prose size now stands at close to 12k chars with 2000+ words. I feel this should be enough for a player who has played 81 Tests and 223 ODIs. —Vensatry (Ping me) 18:08, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • @The Rambling Man: Would you reassess your vote now that the main article has been expanded? Thanks. — ΛΧΣ21 04:29, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments –

  • "Later the year". "the" → "that".
  • "In the course of innings". Does this need "the" before "innings"?
  • Also, the innings link could be moved to its first usage in the lead. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:18, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 09:43, 7 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Please mention the list about which you are talking about in note a.
  • Link West Indies tour.
  • "Astle scored a century for the second time in World Cup, this time against Zimbabwe in the eighth edition of the tournament. His highest ODI total of 145 not out was achieved against the United States during the 2004 Champions Trophy. In ODIs he was most successful against India making five centuries" - all this needs to be referenced.
    • Leaving the first one, I don't think sources are needed for the rest since they are cited in the table. Anyways, I've added the sources. —Vensatry (Ping me) 10:45, 5 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • There should be row scope in the key table. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 05:26, 5 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Zia Khan 11:05, 7 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comments—
  • You may change the caption since this is already explained in the lead?
  • "...in Test cricket and One Day Internationals (ODI) on 11 and 16 occasions respectively." → ... in Test and One Day International (ODI) cricket on 11 and 16 occasions respectively.
  • "[an] attacking opener in one-day cricket". I've no idea why is "an" in square brackets?
  • You've "the" before Vidharba Cricket Association Ground, but not before any other ground?!
    • Vidharba is a proper noun and more importantly it has the words "Cricket" & "Ground", so the is a must. However, this isn't the case with "Eden Park" and "Trust Bank Park", where usage of the is optional. —Vensatry (Ping me) 10:57, 6 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Centuries # 2 and 7 do not sort correctly in the ODI list.
  • Include Sachin's stats and unlink the "ended up in the nineties" since this is linked in the lead.
    • I don't think it's mandate to include Sachin's stats since we are concerned only about Astle. As for linking "ended up in the nineties", there is nothing wrong as it doesn't seem to be overlinking. —Vensatry (Ping me) 10:57, 6 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Date for ref # 2, also check others.

Zia Khan 04:11, 6 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support– meets the standards! Zia Khan 11:05, 7 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 16:49, 16 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Check the use of hyphen vs en-dash in "Chappell–Hadlee Trophy".
  • " run-getter " hate getter. Scorer perhaps, or "has scored the second-highest number of runs..."
  • Second para: "His... he.. He... His... " needs re-wording.
  • "ended up in the nineties" is nice for us readers who like it, but not accessible to non-experts.
  • " which includes two " -> "including two..."
  • "Astle made his Test debut against Zimbabwe at Trust Bank Park, Hamilton, a year after he..." name the year.
  • "fastest double-century " in terms of minutes or balls?
  • Shouldn't "second highest" be hyphenated?
  • 83.6 -> 83.60.
  • Check refs for en-dashes.

The Rambling Man (talk) 20:21, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Fixed all except the fourth comment. I've provided a wl for "ended up in the nineties" which provides sufficient explanation. —Vensatry (Ping me) 06:06, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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