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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:33, 22 September 2016 (UTC) [1].[reply]

List of members of the 14th Parliament of Pakistan[edit]

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Nominator(s): Saqib (talk) 17:23, 3 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I think it meets all of the FL criteria and so has great potential to become a Featured List. it is one of the most important lists in the scope of WikiProject Pakistan. It has good lead and prose and is referenced as per the referencing guidelines. Saqib (talk) 17:23, 3 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Dharmadhyaksha

Good to see a different type of list being nominated here. But this needs a lot of work and raises many a basic doubts.

  • So this is a list of MNAs as on 1 June 2013, the oath-taking day or has it been updated for current statues also. Means have some people vacated their seats for any reason; maybe removed/resigned from party, or death, or anything such?
  • Not understanding how the sections are arranged? Why aren;t they alphabetic? Use full form of FATA in section names.
  • If notes column of most entries is empty then get rid of it.
  • Some guys have Dr. behind their name which could be skipped.
  • One woman has Mrs. behind here name which can be dropped.
  • If you are using only one ref for whole table then it need not be in each row.
  • Lead is quite week and needs more info.
  • What do you mean by "70 reserved seats for women and religious minorities". Are they not elected? If not then how are they selected?
  • "..marked the historic constitutional transition of power from one democratically-elected government to next for the first time in the history of Pakistan". So what was happening before that should be mentioned.

More comments might come... §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 05:26, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

User:Dharmadhyaksha: Thank you for reviewing the list. Please find answers to your question below,
  • This is a list of MNAs as on 3 August, 2016. MNA's who were elected during 2013 general elections and have left their seats are not mentioned in the list. I just replaced them with new ones. I don't know where to mention those MNA's, maybe in the notes?
  • Sections are now arranged in alphabetical order.
  • Notes column could be removed but if we can use them for mentioning MNA's who left since.
  • Titles Dr. and Mrs. have been removed.
  • References removed from each row.
  • I will work on lead section.
  • The 70 seats reserved for women and religious minorities are allocated to the political parties according to their proportional representation.

Anything else? --Saqib (talk) 08:43, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Update: Point # 1 has been resolved. Former members are now added to list under List_of_members_of_the_14th_National_Assembly_of_Pakistan#Membership_changes. --Saqib (talk) 11:43, 15 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Dudley Miles (talk) 18:44, 5 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • "342 members who are referred to as Members of the National Assembly (MNAs), of which 272 are directly elected members and 70 reserved seats for women and religious minorities which are allocated to the political parties according to their proportional representation." The grammar has gone wrong here. Maybe "342 members, who are referred to as Members of the National Assembly (MNAs), of which 272 are directly elected members; 70 reserved seats for women and religious minorities are allocated to the political parties according to their proportion of the total vote."
  • The first paragraph is unreferenced.
  • I woudld leave out "plurality" - it usually means the most seats but not a majority.
  • Why did the PMN-L need a two-thirds majority in order to form a government?
  • "marked the historic constitutional transition of power from one democratically-elected government to next for the first time in the history of Pakistan." This is ungrammatical. Maybe change "next" to "another".
  • I would merge the last two short paragraphs.
  • "which included 16 federal ministers and nine ministers of state." The distinction between federal ministers and ministers of state is not explained. I would leave this out and finish with "sworn into office".
  • It looks odd having a column for a reference which applies to the whole table. I would delete the column and reference the headings, as in List of incorporated places in Maryland.
  • I do not see the point of the first column as the number is repeated in the next column - and why is the heading a #?
  • Notes columns should not be sortable.
  • This list is not far off FL but needs a bit more work. Dudley Miles (talk) 12:43, 5 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Dudley Miles Thank you for comments. I have worked on all points you raised. Please see! --Saqib (talk) 15:54, 5 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
"In order to form a government, the PML-N joined in coalition with the Pakistan Muslim League (F) and the National Peoples Party." I see you have removed the reference to needing a two-thirds majority, but you still appear to say that the PML-N needed the support of others parties "In order to form a government". The source just says that they appointed one minister each from the Pakistan Muslim League (F) and the National Peoples Party, not that the president needed their support. This should be clarified. Dudley Miles (talk) 17:54, 5 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I think it would be better to leave that out. I guess it was mistake on my part. --Saqib (talk) 18:40, 5 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support. A first rate list. Dudley Miles (talk) 18:44, 5 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Dudley Miles: I have created a new table. I think this one is better than earlier one. What do you think of it? --Saqib (talk) 10:16, 11 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It looks OK to me. Dudley Miles (talk) 16:26, 13 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 22:04, 14 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • The Pakistan Muslim League (A) link should be moved to the league's first appearance in the lead.
  • Naraz Sharif should probably be linked in the lead.
  • "Members of 14th National Assembly...". This needs "the" before 14th.
  • A few of the tables are sorting the first column by the first number provided, not by the number as a whole. For example, NA-10 will sort before NA-2, which seems incorrect to me. There are number sorting templates that will handle this issue for you; try going through FLC to find a list sorted by number, which is likely to have an example for you to use as needed.
  • The publishers of references 2, 5, and 6 should be italicized in the citations, since they are to articles from print sources. Just change the publisher= parameter in the cite templates to work=, and this will be done automatically for you. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:14, 7 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
User:Giants2008: All issues resolved. But I didn't get your second last point. As I can see the Constituencies are sorting by number. I cannot see where NA-10 is being sorting before NA-2. Saqib (talk) 14:47, 8 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Click on the Constituency column in the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Punjab tables, where there is table sorting, and you can see that these two tables sort by first number, not by the number as a whole. It looks like those are the only two tables with the issue, but it does need to be addressed. Also, reference 9 needs further formatting. Giants2008 (Talk) 23:07, 10 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
User:Giants2008: Actually I have created a new table. I think this one is better than earlier one. What do you think of it? --Saqib (talk) 08:54, 11 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The boldface that is seen for several members is discouraged by WP:BOLD, part of the Manual of Style. If you want to have the ministers stand out, you could try adding a symbol to represent them instead, which would be MoS-compliant. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:06, 13 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
User:Giants2008: Fixed! --Saqib (talk) 00:49, 14 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – I'm now comfortable that this list meets FL standards. Good work. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:04, 14 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Source review pass, I'm not going to bother writing the specifics. Promoting. --PresN 21:26, 21 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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