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The list was promoted by Dabomb87 17:36, 24 April 2010 [1].

List of members of the Norwegian Nobel Committee[edit]

List of members of the Norwegian Nobel Committee (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Nominator(s): Arsenikk (talk) 07:00, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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This list presents the 54 men and women who have awarded what is arguable the world's most prestigious prize. Hopefully, it also meets the FL criteria. Arsenikk (talk) 07:00, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Good list! A few comments though,

  • Parties are not linked, as it is sortable they cd all be wikilinked
    • The agrarian party is not linked properly? Sandman888 (talk) 14:07, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • The Agrarian Party and the Centre Party are the same (they changed their name half a century ago to get more votes). Therefore, the former sorts as the latter.
  • It's not chaired between 1909-22 ? Shd be explained in note or corrected.
  • If images had same size it'll look better.
    • See WP:Images for how to force same size. Sandman888 (talk) 14:07, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • I tried to experiment, but no matter what I do, some of the images will look bad. There are also accessibility reasons to use default image sizes, and use of "upright" should make them correct. I notice Jørgen Løvland was not "uprighted", so it should look better now.
  • Most of your sources is in Norwegian. Per WP:Sources English is preferred, perhaps other could be found. Sandman888 (talk) 17:09, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the review. The problem with the images is that two of the (Løvland and Lundestad) have been uploaded at thumbnail size, and are therefore not displayed at more than such. Note that almost the entire article is sourced from English sources, except the bios of the current members (which links the the extremely reliable bio section of the Norwegian Parliament website) and an article about the internal nomination procedures within parliament (which I have not been able to find in English sources). As I live in Norway, I cannot go down to the library and borrow an English-language book on a Norwegian topic, but I did add an online source for the controversies. I'll have a little look around, but I can't say I'm optimistic. Arsenikk (talk) 11:32, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'd prefer it if the image of Sejersted was a close-up and only showed his face, that'll also make it same format as the two other pics Sandman888 (talk) 08:56, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • Good idea. I've uploaded and linked to a cropped version. Arsenikk (talk) 19:22, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support - forgot that. Sandman888 (talk) 14:21, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 11:41, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Lead is a little short, just one small para. I know we don't necessarily have to have acres of text on our lists but you have several other sections of prose and, after all, the lead is supposed to summarise the whole article...
    • I've expanded the lead to include more. My initial though was to not bee too redundant toward the other prose, but if there is no problem with that, the lead can easily be expanded. It is now almost twice the length.
  • "have at some time been chair." reads a little oddly to me. Perhaps "have been the chair [linked] at some point" or similar?
    • Fixed.
  • "professor of history" where?
    • This was mentioned in the prose, but now added.
  • "and the award money is managed" an odd sequence. Mostly the award is renowned for its own notability, then perhaps the medal, and lastly the money. Why launch into financial matters here?!
    • My idea was to indicate that the committee does not have any jurisdiction over the Nobel's assets, but I have removed this after your request.
  • Norwegian Nobel Committee is overlinked.
    • Fixed.
  • "from then to 1967 had three representatives in the committee until 1967." reads poorly to me - 1967 quickly repeated, this need a rephrase.
    • Fixed. That was a typo.
  • "The appointment is done by parliament" -don't like "done" maybe "made", and just a quick one, have you linked to the Norway parliament at any point so far?
    • Fixed.
  • "the next three largest parties" shouldn't this be "three next-largest parties"?
    • Fixed.
  • "a full-time politician or party employee all his life" obviously not true. Presumably he started this "career" when he was, say, 18?
    • Rephrased-
  • "Since leaving politics, she has been a business executive and board member, and has been a consultant since 2002" - "has been a" repeated quickly. Maybe "member, and since 2002, a consultant."?
    • Fixed.
  • In what order do you have the current members?
    • Chair, deputy chair, then regular members by seniority.
  • "a former sole proprietor" what does this mean?
    • According to her bio, she worked as a "sole proprietor". She is now retired.
  • "From 2009, four of the members are women" - not sure quite what you mean, do you mean the current panel has 4 women?
    • That is correct. I rephrased slightly, but fear all I did was add redundant words.
  • " Christian Lous Lange is the only person to have both sat on the committee and been its secretary, and the only laureate to have sat on the committee. Bjørnstjerne Bjørnson was, however, awarded the Nobel Literature Prize." so Lange isn't the only person to have sat on the committee and been a laureate? Or was Bjornson awarded it after sitting on the committee? It's not clear.
    • I've tried to rephrase slightly, by specifying 'peace laureate'. Lange was the only person to sit on the committee to receive a Peace Prize, which is the only one this article and this committee deal with.
  • In Safari, End doesn't sort properly as you have a mix of numbers and text.
    • I've tried to fix this by using {{sort|2010|present}}. If that doesn't work, I don't know what to do.
  • "Years" could be better represented as "Tenure (years)" in my opinion.
    • Good idea.
  • Agrarian doesn't seem to sort properly (presumably as it's sorting as Centre?)
    • The Agrarian and Centre Parties are the same (in different time periods, as stated in the prose) and they have purposely been made to sort as the same.
  • Why doesn't secretaries table have Start, End etc like the main table?
    • I've changed to this to increase internal consistency. The original reason was there was no need, as there is no overlap, unlike with the members.
  • "as a associate professor " an associate...
    • Fixed.
  • "Geir Lundestad has been secretary since 1990" is a complete sentence so needs a full stop.
    • Fixed
  • All notes are unreferenced.

The Rambling Man (talk) 21:39, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review. Arsenikk (talk) 20:04, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sort by Deputy chair, then by Chair (in Safari) and things go a little odd in that list. Also, I would expect people to have not served in those roles to sort as "zero" if you understand what I'm trying to say. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:40, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've sorted the non-chairs as "0", which may help the sorting. I see that it is possible to create a slightly odd sorting, but I don't know what to do about. If either "deputy chair" or "chair" is sorted "twice" while sorting in that order, then it works fine. Unfortunately, it seems that most browsers use non-optimal sort algorithm. If you know of any more technical solutions to solve the issue, tell me, and I'll try to apply them. Arsenikk (talk) 11:50, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sorting is now mostly fixed for me in Safari, but when sorting by "End" I get four results, two with "present" at the top and two with "present" at the bottom. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:50, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've tried with both Firefox, Opera and IE, but haven't been able to reproduce your results. No matter what, it sorts as if 'present' is 2010 (as I have coded it to do). Arsenikk (talk) 17:32, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's a shame it still doesn't sort correctly under Safari... Perhaps try a note at Help talk:Sorting? The Rambling Man (talk) 10:32, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've lest a note there. Arsenikk (talk) 11:19, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Per User:Nmajdan suggestions at the above, I have sorted all the 'end' year entries with {{sort}}. Arsenikk (talk) 18:43, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Rambling Man has made me an expert at table sorting :). Looks like you need to make the same change to the Secretaries table.—NMajdan•talk 20:08, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Sometimes I wonder how many mice The Rambling Man wears out each month just pressing sort buttons ;) Arsenikk (talk) 20:41, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't even have a mouse... the touchpad is exhausted.... The Rambling Man (talk) 21:03, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support good work on my nit-picking. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:24, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Dabs; please check the disambiguation links identified in the toolbox. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:10, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question. This gives C. B. Hanssen as "deputy chairman, [...] 1923". Is it impossible to find info about old deputy chairmen and include this in the table? Geschichte (talk) 15:02, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • While the Norwegian Social Science Data Services (NSD) is without doubt a reliable source, it raises the question of why the Norwegian Nobel Committee has refrained from including the information of deputies before 1991. I have tried to search for committee members sitting at the same time, and NSD seems to be incomplete—some people are not even listed as members of the Nobel Committee. Given the limiting information NSD provides, I cannot see how a complete list of deputies can be created, nor can I use it to verity that the post-1991 position is the same as the pre-1991 position (if it existed)—and why it is left out of the Norwegian Nobel Institute's list. For that matter, NSD could not even be used to create a complete list of committee members, deputies or not. Arsenikk (talk) 22:02, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • Neutral. Geschichte (talk) 06:34, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        • I've contacted the institute to ask about the issue; reply is pending. Sorry about the late reply here, I've had a busy week, but I've got some time to take a look at the university library now. Arsenikk (talk) 08:36, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
          • Done. All deputy years have been added and referenced. Arsenikk (talk) 09:55, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments:

  1. Historically, the committee's members have represented seven political parties, also including the Liberal Party, the Centre Party and the Christian Democratic Party). I do not know where to put an opening parenthesis.
    Fixed this. Dabomb87 (talk) 14:29, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  2. the committee was renamed the The Nobel Committee of the Parliament of Norway, I think one "the" is enough.
  3. and sat in parliament representing Hordaland from 1989 to 1993, and as a deputy from 1993 to 2001. What does deputy mean here? It can mean a member of parliament, for instance.
  4. All notes in the 'Notes' section are complete sentences and should have a period at the end.

Ruslik_Zero 13:09, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

All done. I specified Ytterhorn as a "deputy member of parliament". Arsenikk (talk) 08:45, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Well, I support now. Ruslik_Zero 15:09, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


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