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- The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The list was not promoted by Giants2008 10:01, 23 November 2013 (UTC) [1].[reply]
List of people who performed on Beatles recordings[edit]
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I am nominating this for featured list because it is a comprehensive list of the subject, and a list that meets all FL criteria. It has recently been through a peer review, which threw up no major issues (mainly style and referencing, a few content suggestions)—all of which have been seen to. The list is stable, and content is unlikely to change as no new entries will be added (for obvious reasons!). matt (talk) 08:33, 27 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- You're going to hate me, but I think a sortable list would be much better here. Columns would be Name, Instrument (with "vocals" for singers), track(s), and Ref(s) (the last one being unsortable); "Date" or "Year" may also be useful. This would be much more useful as it would allow us to, say, see all of the people who helped record "Yesterday" at a glance.
- Also, you have numerous harv errors (i.e. the links are broken). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:08, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Yep, you're right, I hate you now! How would sorting work with numerous rowspans (for musicians who contributed on numerous occasions)? I presume the best way would be to use one row per contribution (i.e. per song per person)? Thanks for your feedback—is there a tool I can use to quickly check the ref linkage? matt (talk) 07:53, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- User:Ucucha/HarvErrors.js is one of the most useful in my repertoire (that's how I spotted them quickly; be sure to read the documentation at User:Ucucha/HarvErrors). To keep it sortable you'd have to either make different entries for each individual recording (with a number (2), (3), etc.) or put the titles in the same box. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:13, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks. The tool worked a treat! I guess it's either have the song column sortable (one entry per row) or not sort by it. How would you suggest doing the "name" field for sorting—"Aspinall, Neil"? Not sure if I've seen any MOS topics addressing this. Thanks again for the help. matt (talk) 09:37, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Template:Sortname is the answer to that. For instance, {{Sortname|Neil|Aspinall}} — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:16, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Quick comment(s). Wow, firstly: great job!
- I wonder if it might be an idea to add something like "Performers" or "Contributing musicians" as a heading inside the contents box near the top of the article. I did a bit of a double take, seeing the letters of the alphabet there with no apparent explanation.
- I would include the Asian Music Circle in the alphabetical list, for their contributions to "Love You To" and "Within You, Without You". And also change wording under Omissions sections for these songs – maybe something like: "the individual members of the Asian Music Circle who contributed to "Love You To" (performing on sitar and tambura)[28] and "Within You Without You" (performing on dilruba, swarmandal, tabla and tambura)"?
- By the way, the sitar in "Love You To" is now generally acknowledged as played by Harrison (Everett and Lewisohn assume so, Peter Lavezzoli is much more committed on this credit). It always surprises me that MacDonald's uncertainty about the identity of this sitarist continues to appear in revised editions of his book; more than anything, the main hook/riff is so obviously blues-based, and very similar in style to Harrison's harder (darker) guitar riffs on Revolver compared with earlier Beatles albums. Having said that, I realise that mention of there being unknown musicians on the song "performing on sitar and tambura" doesn't necessarily conflict with Everett, Lewisohn and Lavezzoli – perhaps there was a second sitar player.
- Also, is there any rationale behind the order of those songs mentioned under Omissions? It's a bit of a surprise to read about the two Indian tracks at the end of the discussion, when "Love You To" is one of the earliest examples of a non-orchestral guest musician appearing on a Beatles recording (perhaps the very first, I'm not sure).
- Jackie Lomax definitely sung on "Prudence", according to MacDonald and others. He was also among the backing chorus on "Hey Jude". I thought I'd read this in Chris O'Dell's book (maybe I did but I can't find it now from mentions of the song listed in the index); and I've come across it in one or two Beatles books. Not very helpful, I admit – Lomax discusses the session in a 2004 interview with Terry Staunton [Terry Staunton, "Jackie Lomax: Is This What You Want?", Record Collector, July 2004; available at Rock's Back Pages]. Not everyone's as mad as me to shell out cash on that RBP site, so here's the relevant text: Staunton: "You were involved in The White Album yourself, weren't you?" Lomax: "I sang the low harmony part on 'Dear Prudence'. I was in the next studio working on my album, and they just dragged me in to help out. It was a bit of a surprise, because I honestly never thought I could add anything to what they were doing. They were The Beatles! I also did a bit of "na na na" on 'Hey Jude', there was quite a pool of us doing our bit there."
- Perhaps add for Lomax and Billy Preston that they were also Apple Records artists? It seems logical to mention it, given the Beatles context of the list.
Hope this helps, Matt. I don't mean to quibble – if you "hate" Crisco 1492, I don't stand a chance either! Again, it looks mighty good right now. Cheers, JG66 (talk) 04:35, 19 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Mattgirling (talk · contribs), anything? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:50, 3 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]