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The list was promoted by User:Scorpion0422 22:51, 13 December 2008 [1].

List of premiers of Nova Scotia[edit]

Gary King (talk) 16:20, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Restart", nothing negative, but not enough to reach consensus 20:21, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
  • In my opinion 2nd paragraph of lead <-> 3rd paragraph of lead. Better to explain the history first.
Lead organized. Pie is good (Apple is the best) 00:43, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Under the assemblies column, why does it start with 19th?
Needs explanation. Pie is good (Apple is the best) 00:43, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Was explained. Pie is good (Apple is the best) 20:26, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Would this picture suffice for a picture of Hiram Blanchard. IF site is reliable, and they have not watermarked the picture, it was published in 1875, before the cutoff of 1923.
Argued reliability below. Pie is good (Apple is the best) 00:43, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree. We use GFDL for Wikipedia, but that doesn't mean all our content is GFDL. Some is PD, some is CC, etc. Pie is good (Apple is the best) 20:25, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Disagree with what? The "All Rights Reserved"? Gary King (talk) 20:48, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Same for William Annand with this
Source details unclear as stated below. Pie is good (Apple is the best) 00:43, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pie is good (Apple is the best) 00:17, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've reorganized the lead. It starts at 19th because there were 18 assemblies before the province had its own system of responsible government. I'm not sure about the picture from the website so I'll leave that for now, but I've added the image from Commons. Gary King (talk) 00:37, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
About the issue of the Assemblies, would it be helpful to put a note somewhere explaining this? Also, the external image is from the city of Montreal, so I think it should be reliable. Pie is good (Apple is the best) 00:43, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've added a note about the 19th assembly. The Montreal page says "All rights reserved" in the footer. Gary King (talk) 02:30, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support Comments, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 04:16, 14 November 2008 (UTC) [reply]
Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

  • "An election may also occur if the governing party loses the confidence of the legislature, by the defeat of a supply bill or tabling of a confidence motion." No comma necessary.
  • Pipe link "dissolution" to Dissolution of parliament#Canada.
  • Ref 1 needs a publication date (at the bottom of the web page). Dabomb87 (talk) 03:59, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
All done Gary King (talk) 04:03, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Please get an experienced image reviewer (i.e. User:David Fuchs to verify that all images are properly licensed/attributed. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:25, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image review - Gary asked me to look at the images in this article:

  • Image:Sir William Young.jpg - Why is the date of this photograph listed as "c.1855"? It is listed as 18-- at the source. I'm not totally sure that PD is proven here:
  • I don't see evidence that it was a crown copyright.
  • It is not a photograph.
  • We don't have the dates of the creator.
  • I've changed the date to 18–. Considering the "All rights reserved", I don't think it can be used. Gary King (talk) 22:59, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    The problem is we can't verify the information. Note, however that there are other images of this person at the archives that do have enough verifiable information. We could use one of those. Awadewit (talk) 21:01, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    You mean here? Or another site? Gary King (talk) 21:07, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Image:Hall-WilliamYoung.jpg - Here is one I have uploaded that you can use. Awadewit (talk) 02:45, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, added Gary King (talk) 02:48, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Image:William annand.gif - The source link is broken and there is no author name. Without the name and dates of the author, the PD license cannot be verified.
    The only copies I could find of this originated from Commons. I'm not sure where it originally came from. Gary King (talk) 22:59, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm striking this since it has been deleted from the article. Awadewit (talk) 21:18, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Image:William Stevens Fielding.jpg - I would link this to the LAC with their template. Hopefully, it will provide evidence for the date of the image.
    It says "© Public Domain " on the source website. Gary King (talk) 22:59, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    That website could say anything. We have to verify that with an actual date. I have now linked the image to the LAC and fixed the information on the image description so that it reflects the source. Awadewit (talk) 21:25, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Image:John M Buchanan.jpg - Eh? What is the source? Who is the author? How was the copyright released?
    It's a PD image taken by the uploader, from what the contents say. Gary King (talk) 22:59, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    The source is listed as "My Carma" and the author is listed as "Miss. Naomi Buchanan". How do we know that "Miss Buchanan" is the same as uploader, "SweeettFriday"? As this user doesn't seem to respond on their userpage, I would suggest removing this image from the article. Awadewit (talk) 21:31, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Alright removed Gary King (talk) 21:41, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Image:Russell MacLellan.jpg - The copyright holder needs to release this image - that might be the photographer. Also, we need some sort of OTRS ticket for this. We cannot rely on an editor's statement on the image page that the subject has released the copyright.
    I've contacted the uploader. Gary King (talk) 22:59, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    I am the uploader. I responded to the appeal for a photo on the Wikipedia entry by asking Mr. MacLellan for one. I followed standard practice of asking for copyright clearance under a GNU Free Documentation License once I had established that MacLellan himself was the copyright holder. The message I conveyed to him was as follows: "Your photo would be used under a GNU Free Documentation License which allows you to retain copyright and authorship, but grants permission for others to use, copy, and share this image freely, and even potentially use it commercially, as long as they do not try to claim the copyright themselves, or try to prevent others from using or copying it freely." I have a copy of Mr. MacLellan's letter dated March 18, 2008 which accompanied two photos. It reads: "Mr. Bruce Wark: I hereby authorize you to use the two attached photographs of myself, described on the back as RM1 and RM2, for any purposes you see fit, including commercial purposes." The letter is signed by Russell MacLellan. Bwark (talk) 03:32, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    We still need an OTRS ticket. Awadewit (talk) 03:54, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    I have e-mailed permissions with a copy of the MacLellan letter attached asking for an OTRS ticket. Bwark (talk) 16:48, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]


  • Image:Jhamm03election.JPG - Who is the "I" who took this photo? The uploader? We need to know that the person who released the copyright could really do so.
    I've cleaned up the page. Hopefully it's cleaner and it's made clear that the uploader took the photo. Gary King (talk) 22:59, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

These issues can be solved - it will just require some time. Awadewit (talk) 23:03, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed most of these images for now while I work on finding more information on them as I wasn't the uploader and don't know where most of them came from. Gary King (talk) 23:32, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Why did I bother to detail the problems of these images, then? I idea is for you to track down the images on Google and elsewhere - follow the clues in the image descriptions. Really, this is not that hard. Like I said, it just takes some time. Awadewit (talk) 00:14, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I did what I could with the images; I'm not quite sure what to do with the images that were uploaded by a user and released into the public domain. Gary King (talk) 04:17, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Please respond beneath each image, so that I know which images have outstanding concerns. If you have questions about images that were uploaded by other users, leave a message on the user's talk page. Most users are very helpful, you know! Awadewit (talk) 22:38, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image review - Image:Russell MacLellan.jpg - We are awaiting an OTRS ticket for this image. Awadewit (talk) 00:29, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what to do about this. I have a letter from Mr. MacLellan himself granting unrestricted use, but permissions wants to see the message I sent him as well as the photos he sent me. I don't have the message because I spoke to him verbally. I'd say the only way out of this impasse is for me to draft a letter and get him to sign it, but that will take time. I'm not sure what to suggest. Do you want to delete the image until I get all the paperwork done? I thought I was doing a good thing getting that photo, but now I wish I'd never got involved in this. I am willing to resolve the issue, but it will take time. Bwark (talk) 20:22, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
After reading the email, it looks like this issue will probably not be resolved before this nomination ends. Therefore, I am removing the image for now until it is resolved. Thanks for your help Bwark, and Awadewit, please let us know what you think. Thanks! Gary King (talk) 21:00, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The OTRS ticket has now been granted for the MacLellan photo. Bwark (talk) 18:00, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent, I have re-added the image. Gary King (talk) 18:06, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support As my issues have been resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:14, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • Comments
    • What does "---" mean for some of the entries under Parliament? Not clear.
    • Why have normal readable dates in table and then ISO non-readable dates in the references? You can just be consistent within the article and make it all human readable...
    • Why is minority government in bold?
    • Not keen on (1st time of 2) - can't we use text for this? First of two spells as Premier? And the heading of the table doesn't cover that third line, so it's not 100% clear.
  • The Rambling Man on tour (talk) 06:26, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
All done. The ISO dates in the references are just because the templates accept ISO dates, and I'd prefer to keep it that way, just in case the template ever changes to be able to automatically format them. Gary King (talk) 17:15, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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