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The list was promoted by Giants2008 10:01, 31 December 2013 (UTC) [1].[reply]

List of songs recorded by Jason Newsted[edit]

List of songs recorded by Jason Newsted (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s): GRAPPLE X 02:38, 21 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This one was progressing alright the first time around but then I had to go and disappear for a while (aliens). I think I've caught up to everything that had been mentioned the last time around, plus any relevant material from the intervening time has been added (along with a nice shiny picture). I promise I won't get abducted a second time around. GRAPPLE X 02:38, 21 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support - My comments were all addressed the first time around. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:44, 21 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why is there not a template for the artist at the bottom? CrowzRSA 22:34, 25 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Good catch. Added GRAPPLE X 01:24, 26 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - everything else looks good to me. CrowzRSA 16:52, 26 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 17:00, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Shouldn't " two-hundred and fifty " just be "250" or "two-hundred-and-fifty"?
  • "thrash band ... fellow thrash band..." not keen on the repetition and what's a "fellow" thrash band? It seems clear if they're both "thrash bands" then they'd be "fellows" of that genre.
  • "his inability to work on side projects" was this because he was actively prevented from doing so? Should be made clear.
  • Sad but True article has a small b for but, not necessarily part of this process but consider moving it appropriately.
  • I count only 12 Moss Brothers songs.
  • Ref 33 (for instance), avoid double periods.
  • Is it Nuclear Blast Records or just Nuclear Blast (per our article)?

The Rambling Man (talk) 17:04, 2 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks for having a look at this. Got all of these bar the "Sad but True" thing—should I move the song page or fix the casing in the list? I get the feeling it's the latter but I'm not 100% on how conjunctions work with title case (this is from an english BA too...). GRAPPLE X 05:25, 3 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    No worries, and no problem with the redirect, they're not disallowed. I just prefer the reliable source solution, so opt for the one which RS's use. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:06, 11 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    The albums themselves tend to use block capitals so I deferred to our article, which I'm pretty sure is how web and print sources parse it too. GRAPPLE X 23:27, 11 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]


Comments from Lightlowemon

  • He played bass guitar with the group between 1987 and 2001. Any chance this sentence could be merged with the one before or after? It sounds like a fragment.
    Merged. GRAPPLE X 20:42, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • In his time with the band, Newsted was given writing credit for only three Metallica songs. I count six in the table.
    I guess that does look a bit off. There are three actual songs which he has credits for ("Blackened", "My Friend of Misery" and "Where the Wild Things Are"), but there's also a bass solo from a live album listed there, which is his own work (I don't own it but I'm 99% sure it's actually the bass intro to "My Friend of Misery"), another live bass solo which might or might not be the same work, and a medley of songs ("Justice Medley") which includes parts from "Blackened" (here's a breakdown of the parts). I'm at a loss for how to succinctly explain that only three studio-recorded songs featured original work credited to him though. :( GRAPPLE X 20:42, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • The only thing I can think of is to adda note to those three songs and put it in a notes section at the bottom. --Lightlowemon (talk) 06:58, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • However, Newsted faced difficulty integrating with the group, and found little opportunity to add his music input. In his time with the band, Newsted was given writing credit for only three Metallica songs. to add his music input? The sentence sounds a little off, since this seems to be a cause and effect thing (as in the sentences are directly related), maybe merge these sentences somehow?
    How does it look now? GRAPPLE X 20:42, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Still not a fan of the term music input maybe musical influence? Other then that looks good. --Lightlowemon (talk) 06:58, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Newsted wrote and recorded three albums with the band: Voivod, Katorz and Infini. You just mentioned three different bands in the sentence before, so you need to specify which one you are talking about (even if it is obvious due to the album titles. Also you mention these three albums and yet I only see one listed in the table, why is this?
    Reworded it in the intro, but the three albums are definitely listed in the table (sort by "artist"; the first three Voivoid songs are each from a different album). GRAPPLE X 20:42, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • My mistake, had it sorted by album name at the time. --Lightlowemon (talk) 06:58, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I do find it a little strange that you have 13 artists yet only mention 9 in the lead, missing The Moss Brothers, Unkle, IR8 and Sexoturica and Sepultura
    I couldn't find anything about his involvement with Moss Brothers beyond the raw credits in order to say anything about it, and I wasn't sure a one-song cameo for Sepultura was worth much of a mention. I could see about digging up some of the other stuff, though the IR8 and Sexoturica stuff is just one split demo that appears to have been a pair of self-released vanity projects. GRAPPLE X 20:42, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • This isn't a point that would stop me supporting, just seems a little odd is all, especially since you've mentioned bands his done less work with. --Lightlowemon (talk) 06:58, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Several songs and a few writers are redirects, you don't have to do anything with these just pointing them out:
Songs - ...And Justice for All (both occurrences), Battery (both), Blackened, Die, Die My Darling (listed with an extra comma after the second Die), Sad But True (all versions; in regards to the above comment, it should be spelt however it appears on the album), To Live Is to Die, The Unforgiven II (links to section) and Welcome Home (Sanitarium)
Writers - Chris Exall, Clive Blake
  • I figure there's no harm keeping extant redirects in case they're expanded in the future; I'm not worried about creating anything yet though. GRAPPLE X 20:42, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Die, Die My Darling and Sad But/but True still need to be fixed (the extra comma and casing). I agree there's no harm in keeping them, just thought I'd let you know. --Lightlowemon (talk) 06:58, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also, why is Papa Wheelie not linked in the navbox?
    I kept reading this as infobox and wondering what I was missing—fixed now though. GRAPPLE X 20:42, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Echobrain is used as a reference name twice in the article.
    Fixed the web ref to another name. GRAPPLE X 20:42, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • The AllRovi site seems to be down, any idea if this is permanent?
Looks good overall. --Lightlowemon (talk) 13:52, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • About to start working through these now, but about the last one—apparently AllRovi has once again split into the two sites that merged to form it in the first place (AllMovie and AllMusic, where "Rovi" comes from is a mystery). Looks like the content still exists but just elsewhere. I'm going to poke around and see if it's an easy fix or if I need to replace all the URLs manually. GRAPPLE X 19:58, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Struck the comments that had been addressed and left comments. Once the reference and the remaining small issues are fixed I'll be happy to support. --Lightlowemon (talk) 06:58, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Added in an extra line in the lead which should mean all acts are now covered, and have fixed the unnecessary redirects. I also managed to get the URLs fixed in the refs for AllMusic; as I had hoped it turned out to be a simple change that could be applied en masse to everything. GRAPPLE X 00:25, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • My deepest apologies I thought I replied, due to the names implying they aren't lyrical tracks and are just audio, I'm happy to support this list. --Lightlowemon (talk) 05:50, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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