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List of songs written by Ricky Vela[edit]

Featured list candidates/List of songs written by Ricky Vela/archive1

Nominator(s): – jona ✉ 19:16, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I created this list as part of the 2022 Latin music edit a thon competition. This is a list of songs written by Ricky Vela, who was a keyboardist for Selena y Los Dinos, spanning the years 1986 through 2003. – jona ✉ 19:16, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments on the lead

"a collaborative effort with the producer of the group A.B" - earlier he was referred to as A.B. Quintanilla. Is he primarily known simply as "A.B."?

Yes

"became her first critically acclaim single" => "became her first critically acclaimed single"

Done

"Vela was closer to the guitarist of the group, Roger Garcia and A.B." - multiple issues here. Firstly, if "the guitarist of the group" refers just to Garcia then you need a comma after his name. Secondly "Vela was closer to the guitarist of the group" - than to whom?

Done

"In 1989, Selena signed with EMI Latin, stepping away from the Texas indie labels they recorded under" - if the subject is Selena, why is the pronoun "they" used in the second clause?

Done

"Vela wrote "Tengo Ganas de Llorar" for Selena's eponymous debut." - you previously said she released an album in 1986, so how can she only now be releasing her debut album?

Done

"Vela wrote "No Debes Jugar" for Selena Live!," - as the previous sentence talked about a track on the same album, I would suggest saying "Vela also wrote". Also you need a semi-colon rather than a comma after Selena Live!

Done

"hid the lyrics that he wrote from it" - what's "it"?

His feelings

Then write "and hid the lyrics that he wrote based on these feelings". What is there currently doesn't make grammatical sense -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:11, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"According to Abraham" - per MOS:SURNAME, subjects should not be referred to by their forename only

Not done. Selena, A.B., Suzette, and Abraham all share the same surname.

Then write his full name. Forename should never be used by itself -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:11, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Vela continued an active presence" = "Vela remained an active presence"

Done

"with his final songwriting credit "Contigo"" - assuming he is not dead, how do we know it was his final credit? He might write more....

Well he has not received any writing credits in the last two decades, so "Contigo" is his last known songwriting credit.

That's what I got on a first pass. I haven't looked at the table yet..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:43, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review! – jona ✉ 18:48, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I fixed everything you brought to my attention. – jona ✉ 15:31, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

More comments

My only comments on the table are that people's names in the writer(s) column should be written in full and linked each time, and that names in the artists column should sort based on surname not forename (eg Pete Astudillo should sort under A not P)
The note is not a complete sentence so it should not have a full stop -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:35, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done – jona ✉ 17:35, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies if I was unclear above - when I said "names in the artists column should sort based on surname not forename" I did not mean that you needed to show the surnames of artists even if they did not use their surnames publicly (i.e. Selena, Thalia). You should still just show the names under which the artists released their music (eg just show Selena for Selena). But if that name consists of a forename and a surname, the sorting should be based on the surname (eg Pete Astudillo should sort under A not P). Also, you don't need to write "Astudillo, Pete", you can use a sorting template e.g. put {{sortname|Pete|Astudillo}} This will still make it appears as Pete Astudillo but will make it sort under A -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 06:49, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My bad, I believe I have fixed those issues now. Thanks – jona ✉ 22:04, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I fixed one for you (Leones Del Norte is a group, not a person with the surname "Del Norte" so is fine to sort under L) and am now happy to support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:22, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your support and review. – jona ✉ 13:19, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)[edit]

Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting |+ caption_text as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting |+ {{sronly|caption_text}} instead.
Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. --Pres N 01:48, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've added the note. Thanks – jona ✉ 20:47, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Support from TRM[edit]

First line is a bit of a slog. Maybe you could just introduce him as a songwriter from X who has written songs since Y, and then in a subsequent sentence discuss the groups in detail.

Done

A. B. Quintanilla has a spaced between the . and the B.

Done

"resurgence in popularity in the 21st century" why?

Done

"in Who Was...Selena? (2018), " I don't think that's the link you're looking for.

Done

"Chris Perez," missing a diacritic.

Done

"Vela written "Quiero..." do you mean "wrote"?

Done

"certified platinum" include "certified" in the link.

Done

"Ricky Vela often collobrated with A.B. Quintanilla (pictured), " spacing again, and I normally see (pictured) in italics.

Done

In a sortable table, all linked items should be linked every time, check the Album and Artist columns.

Done

Our article on Dulce Amor calls it Dulce amor.

Done

Cruz Martinez is missing a diacritic.

Done

That's enough for now. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 16:38, 21 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your review, I believe I addressed everything. Best – jona ✉ 18:11, 21 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Z1720

The lede's two paragraphs are quite long. Is there a way that this information can be divided into smaller paragraphs? I also think some of the information can be trimmed.
Leones Del Norte should be wikilinked (even if it is a redlink) or removed if not notable.

Done

"a collaborative effort with the producer of the group A. B. Quintanilla," In the previous sentence, A. B. Quintanilla was introduced as a person. Why is he now part of a group?

Done

"and became her first critically acclaimed single." Who is the her referred to in this sentence?

Done

""Dame tu Amor" was the first recording Vela cowrote with the manager of the group," which group?

Done

"Following the release of Netflix's limited two-part drama Selena: The Series (2020—21)," -> "Following the release of Selena: The Series," If the reader wants to know more about the series, they can click on the wikilink.

Done

"According to authors Max and Kate Bisantz in Who Was...Selena? (2018), during the 1980s, Vela was closer to the guitarist of the group, Roger Garcia, and A. B. Quintanilla, than to the women of the group." I don't think this sentence is necessary and can be deleted.

Done

"In 1989, Selena signed with EMI Latin, stepping away from the Texas indie labels she recorded under." This is too much information about Selena, considering that this is a list of Ricky Vela's songs. I suggest deleting this

Done

" Chris Pérez, who replaced Garcia in late 1990 as the guitarist of the group, praised Vela's songwriting on Entre a Mi Mundo as being creative with the utilization of "heavy arrangements".[8] Music critic Rene Cabrera credited Vela as a songwriter on Entre a Mi Mundo, an album Cabrera called a "barn-burner"." I don't think commentary on his songwriting ability should be in this article. Instead, this would be better placed in Ricky Vela.

Done

"Vela wrote "Quiero Estar Contigo" (1992) for Tejano music band Leones del Norte, his first songwriting credit outside of Selena." This is missing a citation.

I remove it and just added the year.

"Vela had romantic inclinations toward the drummer of the group, Suzette Quintanilla, which he kept private from her. After hearing of her wedding to Bill Arriaga in September 1993, Vela wrote of his feelings of betrayal and unrequited love and hid the lyrics that he wrote based on these feelings. Vela eventually provided Selena with the lyrics and she recorded the song for Amor Prohibido.[12] According to Abraham Quintanilla, Selena provided an emotional delivery while recording the track and was seen sobbing in the recording studio because "she knew how [Vela] felt" about Suzette.[13] This was dramatized in the second-part Selena: The Series, released in 2021.[14]" I think all of this should be moved to "No Me Queda Más" and deleted from this article, as this is off-topic for what this list is. The longer the lede is, the less likely people are to read the article.

Done

"which was written for A. B. Quintanilla's Kumbia Kings group in 2003." Kumbia Kings was already introduced as A. B. Quintanilla's group in the first paragraph, so this can be "which was written for Kumbia Kings in 2003."

Done

Those are my comments on the lede. Please ping me if there are any questions or when the above are addressed. Z1720 (talk) 01:38, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Z1720: Thanks for your review. I believe I have addressed your concerns. Best – jona ✉ 23:36, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The following citations listed in the "Works Cited" are not currently used in the article. I suggest using them as references or removing them:

Bisantz, Kate; Bisantz, Max (2018)
Cabrera, Rene (September 4, 1992).

Fletcher, Michael; Getz, Robert P.; Fletcher, Nathan; Morales, Joe (March 1999).
Ramirez, Erika (October 8, 2011)
Vaval, Natalie (May 20, 2021).

Please ping me when the above are addressed. Z1720 (talk) 02:04, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Z1720: I have removed them. Best – jona ✉ 23:43, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support. My concerns have been resolved. Z1720 (talk) 23:45, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Z1720: Thank you for your support! Best – jona ✉ 00:12, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@The Rambling Man:, @PresN: I really don't want this to be archived due to lack of sufficient support, were there any more issues that need to be fixed? Best – jona ✉ 14:11, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Can you just check the accuracy and consistency of links to Dulce Amor? The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 16:27, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@The Rambling Man: I have fixed them. Thanks – jona ✉ 21:42, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Cool, happy to support now. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:32, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your support! – jona ✉ 14:10, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Source review – The reliability and formatting of the sources look okay throughout the page, and no issues were identified by the link-checker tool. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:28, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your source review! – jona ✉ 14:10, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Closing, promoted. --Pres N 13:44, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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