Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of teams and cyclists in the 2014 Tour de France/archive1

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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:31, 15 April 2017 (UTC) [1].[reply]

List of teams and cyclists in the 2014 Tour de France[edit]

Featured list candidates/List of teams and cyclists in the 2014 Tour de France/archive1

Nominator(s): Bald Boris 17:04, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Another Tour de France teams and cyclists list following my FLs of 2012 (FLC) and 2013 (FLC). The bulk of the work done on the tables was done by Cs-wolves and Ytfc23, I've just identified it as a possible FLC, tidied it up and then add the lead. Bald Boris 17:04, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 08:25, 6 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

" by a total of 22 teams" never keen on fluffing, why not just "by 22 teams"?
18 teams obliged to participate, 5 invited, but only 22 in total, who didn't show, and why?
"The riders arrived to the arena" normally arrive "at", not "to" somewhere.
Third lead para is a little clunky, lots of short sentences without much flow.

I'm not sure what to do about this as it's not my forte. Bald Boris 00:43, 17 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"Of the total average ages" odd phrase, perhaps just plainly "X team had the highest average age while Y team ...."?
Are the jersey icons accessible?

I'm not too sure, but I've changed it from {{cjersey|yellow|General classification|Yellow jersey}} (

) to my usual [[File:Jersey yellow.svg|20px|link=General classification in the Tour de France|alt=A yellow jersey.]] (

). Bald Boris 00:43, 17 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I thought I counted 34 nationalities in the table vs 33 claimed in the lead?

That's it for me, pretty good stuff. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:23, 16 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I've sorted out the above with this edit (edit summary should say per FLC I know) Thanks for taking a look at this. Bald Boris 00:43, 17 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – In the second photo caption, is the first "stage" in "before the stage of the fourth stage" intentional, or was that meant to be "start"? Giants2008 (Talk) 23:23, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Typo, thanks. Bald Boris 00:00, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support – That was the only issue I found in an excellent piece of work. Giants2008 (Talk) 03:01, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Unresolved comments by taken to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cycling, Bald Boris 17:55, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments:

What is "HD" originated from?
"Hors délais". The Rambling Man (talk) 15:32, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Do you think a footnote is needed? Bald Boris 19:30, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The "by section" tables should give out the team classification times+positions (below the director?).
Do you mean "by team"? The Rambling Man (talk) 15:32, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Can only benefit the reader I suppose. Something like below? Please change it to how think it looks best. Bald Boris 19:30, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Team Sky (SKY)
No.	Rider	Pos.
1	Chris Froome (GBR)	DNF-5
2	Bernhard Eisel (AUT)	126
3	Vasil Kiryienka (BLR)	86
4	David López (ESP)	105
5	Mikel Nieve (ESP)	18
6	Danny Pate (USA)	153
7	Richie Porte (AUS)	23
8	Geraint Thomas (GBR)	22
9	Xabier Zandio (ESP)	DNF-6
Directeur sportif: Nicolas Portal
Team classification: 7th; + 1h 40' 36"

Movistar Team (MOV)
No.	Rider	Pos.
11	Alejandro Valverde (ESP)	4
12	Imanol Erviti (ESP)	81
13	John Gadret (FRA)	19
14	Jesús Herrada (ESP) †	61
15	Beñat Intxausti (ESP)	114
16	Ion Izagirre (ESP) †	41
17	Rubén Plaza (ESP)	91
18	José Joaquín Rojas (ESP)	DSQ-18
19	Giovanni Visconti (ITA)	37
Directeur sportif: José Luis Arrieta
Team classification: 3rd; + 1h 06' 10"

Team Katusha (KAT)
No.	Rider	Pos.
21	Joaquim Rodríguez (ESP)	54
22	Vladimir Isaichev (RUS)	157
23	Alexander Kristoff (NOR)	125
24	Luca Paolini (ITA)	136
25	Alexander Porsev (RUS)	HD-13
26	Egor Silin (RUS)	DNF-6
27	Gatis Smukulis (LAT)	100
28	Simon Špilak (SLO)	DNF-17
29	Yuri Trofimov (RUS)	14
Directeur sportif: José Azevedo
Team classification: 17th; + 04h 02' 46

Thinking about, the section is really about the cyclists, so this would need to go in the teams section. Perhaps a wikitable simlar to List of 2016 UCI WorldTeams and riders#Teams overview. Instead of "Groupset" and "Bicycles", have the directeur sportif and the team classification place and deficit. This could mean we could do away with the "By team" section entirely. Bald Boris 20:58, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Nergaal: I've made a table for the teams as mentioned above. Take a look at my sandbox to see what it could look like, also without the "By team" section. Pinging Giants2008 and The Rambling Man, as I know they'll want this off the urgent list. Bald Boris 23:42, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Legend
Code	The UCI code of the team
Country	The country registration of the team
Category	The UCI category of the team
Time	Deficit to the winner of the team classification

Teams of the 2014 Tour de France
Code	Team	Country	Category	Directeur sportif	Time
ALM	Ag2r–La Mondiale	France	WorldTeam	Vincent Lavenu	270h 27' 02"
AST	Astana	Kazakhstan	WorldTeam	Alexandre Shefer	+ 1h 36' 27"
BEL	Belkin Pro Cycling	Netherlands	WorldTeam	Nico Verhoeven	+ 34' 46"
BMC	BMC Racing Team	United States	WorldTeam	Yvon Ledanois	+ 1h 07' 51"
BSE	Bretagne–Séché Environnement	France	Professional Continental	Emmanuel Hubert	+ 4h 52' 09"
CAN	Cannondale	Italy	WorldTeam	Gilles Pauchard	+ 7h 20' 37"
COF	Cofidis	France	Professional Continental	Didier Rous	+ 3h 37' 12"
EUC	Team Europcar	France	WorldTeam	Andy Flickinger	+ 1h 34' 57"
FDJ	FDJ.fr	France	WorldTeam	Thierry Bricaud	+ 2h 30' 37"
GIA	Giant–Shimano	Netherlands	WorldTeam	Marc Reef	+ 7h 44' 45"
GRS	Garmin–Sharp	United States	WorldTeam	Charly Wegelius	+ 5h 52' 54"
IAM	IAM Cycling	Switzerland	Professional Continental	Eddy Seigneur	+ 3h 21' 32"
KAT	Team Katusha	Russia	WorldTeam	José Azevedo	+ 4h 02' 46"
LAM	Lampre–Merida	Italy	WorldTeam	Simone Pedrazzini	+ 2h 32' 46"
LTB	Lotto–Belisol	Belgium	WorldTeam	Herman Frison	+ 3h 36' 07"
MOV	Movistar Team	Spain	WorldTeam	José Luis Arrieta	+ 1h 06' 10"
TNE	NetApp–Endura	Germany	Professional Continental	Enrico Poitschke	+ 3h 24' 11"
OGE	Orica–GreenEDGE	Australia	WorldTeam	Matthew White	+ 7h 03' 46"
OPQ	Omega Pharma–Quick-Step	Belgium	WorldTeam	Wilfried Peeters	+ 3h 26' 34"
SKY	Team Sky	Great Britain	WorldTeam	Nicolas Portal	+ 1h 40' 36"
TCS	Tinkoff–Saxo	Russia	WorldTeam	Steven de Iongh	+ 2h 59' 36"
TFR	Trek Factory Racing	United States	WorldTeam	Kim Andersen	+ 2h 06' 00"

The teams section should have stylized jerseys listed too (you guys have something like {{Football kit}}?
Stylized jerseys are purely decorative. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:32, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I don't want to go into too much detail but cycling jerseys/kit aren't the same as other pro sports teams. The majority of cycling teams are reliant on sponsorship, which can change every season, and thus their kits are a reflection of the team's sponsors (not plain colours like a football clubs). Regardless of this, I highly doubt we'll ever have all the kit images done, with the amount they change and the little amount of people able to make them. You can imagine the inconsistency. We currently use non-free images on the team's article, but nowhere else. Bald Boris 19:30, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Nergaal (talk) 15:24, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relpied to comments above. Can I ask why you changed the legend font size to 90%? Where's the MOS on this? Bald Boris 19:30, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There's nothing in MOS to support that, so I've restored the normal text size. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:08, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from DarthBotto

Pinging BaldBoris, as I don't want this nomination to go stale!

What would you think about having a picture of either Chris Froome or Andre Greipel in the lead, directly above the map? It could say that while Froome won the race, Greipel secured his fourth victory with the completion of the final leg.
This is a personal preference of mine; I've chosen to put images of all the classification winners in the "By starting number" section. The two others I have promoted (2012 and 2013) use the same. I do think believe in consistency though and think all the Grand Tour team list should all follow the same style. Bald Boris 16:07, 18 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"The race was contested by 22 teams". Why not "22 teams competed in the race"?
I can't find where but someone pointed this out to me at WP:NUMNOTES. Bald Boris 16:07, 18 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, I see: "Avoid beginning a sentence with figures". DARTHBOTTO_talk•cont 17:56, 18 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"The number of riders allowed per squad was nine..." The wording is a little off, in my opinion. How about "Each squad was allowed nine riders"?
I agree it's off, but I think the revision should be "Each team was allowed a squad of nine riders" or "Each squad was allowed a maximum of nine riders". The FL List of teams and cyclists in the 2015 Vuelta a España uses "As each team was entitled to enter nine riders, the peloton...". Bald Boris 16:07, 18 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I would go for the latter of your two suggestions. DARTHBOTTO_talk•cont 17:56, 18 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"Of this, 47 were riding..." Would "Of them" be more appropriate, as we're talking about athletes? "This" sounds possessive of the number, rather than the individuals themselves. Or, was this your intention?
I think I just recycled it from another. During the FAC of the 2012 Tour de France, Mike Christie changed it from "Of this" to "Of these" [2]. So, it's between "them" or "these"? Bald Boris 16:07, 18 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I think "these" is better -- starting a sentence with "Of them, ..." sounds very unnatural to me. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 16:17, 18 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I would settle for "these". DARTHBOTTO_talk•cont 17:56, 18 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Beyond this nitpicking, I am very impressed with the composition and referencing of the lead. I can see that you have put a large amount of effort into getting it polished and up to snuff.
The references would appear to be in good order. Previous Featured List designations use similar sources with a similar ratio of first to third party ones. Good job!
There is very little work to be done before you have my support vote. I ask that you at least look into having a good picture in the lead, as well as applying the minute suggestions I have in mind. DARTHBOTTO_talk•cont 06:31, 18 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comments DarthBotto, I had almost forgotten about this myself. Your ping to me didn't work BTW. Bald Boris 16:07, 18 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Well, that's a damn shame! DARTHBOTTO_talk•cont 17:56, 18 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@BaldBoris: Thank you for being so reasonable, methodical and showing of logic behind addressing my concerns. You hereby have my Support for Featured List status. When you have a little time, I would love it if you could return the favor at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Alien characters/archive1, (which is almost as old as this one! :P). DARTHBOTTO_talk•cont 05:38, 20 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

We're in a bit of a spot here. Nergaal has "retired" but his comments and your responses appear to have bloated the nomination to the point where no-one dare touch it. Would yo be prepared to request further review from other nominators or the cycling project to expedite this? As far as I'm concerned, it's good to go, but we need to see more consensus than just Giants and DarthBotto. The Rambling Man (talk) 01:28, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I did wonder happened there. I o think his comment is better discussed with people at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cycling. I'll start it now and also request reviews. Four months old now... Is that a record? Bald Boris 16:27, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It could be...! I would also collapse the various tables etc here in this nom into a "resolved" or "archived" tab to improve readability of the overall state of the nom. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:50, 13 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support okay, that leaves PresN from the FLC team uninvolved! The Rambling Man (talk) 17:00, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Close, the marathon List of parrots FLC lasted 4 months and 14 days, just beating this one's 4 months. Flipped through the sources and didn't see any issues, so, finally, closing as promoted! --Pres N 18:59, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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