Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of universities in Ontario/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:Matthewedwards 19:07, 14 October 2008 [1].

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List of universities in Ontario

Gary King (talk) 00:19, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Gary, if you wouldn't mind, could you please hold off on nominating any more of these university lists until after the BC one finishes? It's a test case, so you really should have waited for it to finish, otherwise you could have the same problems in three different FLCs. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 00:25, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, this is my last university one for the time being. I've just been working and submitting the ones that I've been working on for months and finally got around to finishing them. Gary King (talk) 00:43, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Lots of image problems: in the table, the use of three thumbs is gratuitous and seems like cherry-picking. First, why these, given that they are not noted as iconic or examplar for the topic or the "most something" in some category? It's especially problematic for stability since some schools seem bent on boosterism and try to add lots of their own pix to these types of pages. Worse, these thumbs cause the whole section to render poorly if one isn't using "state of the art screen width and normal font-size". MOS:IMAGES and its linked pages explicitly advise against stacking of images. If a bunch of images is desired here, a gallery would give a clean layout of them. MOS advises to edit for accessibility rather than perfect layout for "some standard type of display". But really, what do they add to this section? While we're talking about images, why is the map, that supplies some useful information about the topic, relegated to the end, and instead the lead thumb is another cherry-picked example of one specific list entry? DMacks (talk) 03:06, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

I have responded at User_talk:DMacks#List_of_universities_in_Ontario since this discussion affects more than just one FLC. Gary King (talk) 03:18, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• Can we spell out less common abbreviations in the footnotes? Or at least explain it better at the first occurance? Like this: Association of Universities and Colleges of Canada (AUCC)?
• http://www.newsandevents.utoronto.ca/bios/02/history11.htm deadlinks

Otherwise sources look good, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:12, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

The first reference already spelt out the acronym, but I've added (AUCC) after it to make it clear that that's the acronym for it. I removed the dead link. Gary King (talk) 15:29, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Why is Waterloo listed with multiple campuses but not Laurier? It has a campus in Kitchener, as well as Laurier Brantford. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 15:18, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Added Gary King (talk) 15:29, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Rather than having the locations of Guelph, Waterloo and Laurier below, I suggest you add them to the table. List the main location first, then use the <br> thingy to list them below. Then you will be able to sort by them, but it won't make the table too wide. Also, a map that shows the locations of the Universities would be very useful. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 17:25, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

I've added the main campus in the table and moved the rest to the note; I think that's a reasonable compromise? Gary King (talk) 03:15, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

I'd say so. What about a map? It would be really great if you could do one like this -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 17:37, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

I've asked Matthew for help; I think it's his specialty? It certainly isn't mine. Gary King (talk) 18:20, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

It'll be done in a day or so Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:28, 2 October 2008 (UTC) Heh, it may take a little longer than this, it's not the image mapping I'm used to. I'm going to have to render an .svg map of Ontario, make some little dots, stick them all in the right place, and then do the mapping. This is my first time working with .svg's, so bear with me. I will try to do it, but you might be better off asking someone who's previously done an .svg map with locators. -- Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 07:18, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

I've made the map, working on the location markers now. Not as hard as I thought, but Inkscape is taking time to understand! Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 14:47, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Ah, well take your time. There's no rush; this FLC will be here for at least a week I'm sure :) Anyways, which image type do you usually use? I thought SVG was the easiest because of its flexibility. Gary King (talk) 14:53, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Photo image mapping, as seen in List of tallest buildings in Atlanta etc. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 16:47, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Do you have any preference to what colour and shape markers are used? I was going to use one of the ones from NFL#Current NFL teams, which I can make any colour, but if you want triangles, stars or whatever, I can do that too. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 17:06, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

← Doesn't matter Gary King (talk) 17:22, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

OK. Well according to National symbols of Canada This is Canada's colour, so I'll go with circles in that shade. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:23, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Nearly finished. Do you want me to include placemarks for satellite campuses, such as the other four of Guelph, U of T's Mississauga and Scarborough campuses, Lakehead's Orillia, etc, or stick to just the main ones? It's just that for Toronto, for example, it'll end up having six markers, and it's looking a bit ugly. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 19:27, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Then let's try with only the main campuses and see how that goes. Gary King (talk) 20:13, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Alright all done here: {{Ontario universities map}} thanks to Matthew! He's done an awesome job with it. In hindsight, Ontario is probably not the best province for this as most of the universities are indeed crammed together in the southern parts of the province :) I have added it to the article now. Gary King (talk) 15:36, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Very nice. Great job Matthew. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 15:41, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

SatyrTN comments

• One request - change the key to read "Undergraduate enrollment", "Postgraduate enrollment", and "Total enrollment". You know what those are, but coming in to it cold, it's not necessarily apparent.

Otherwise this looks really good. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 05:18, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Done Gary King (talk) 05:49, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 14:53, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:43, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• The 3 images in the Universities section need periods at the end of their captions—they are complete sentences.
• "The oldest university, the University of Toronto, was established in 1827, and the newest university, the University of Ontario Institute of Technology, was established in 2002." Needs a source.
• "Founded in 1827, the University of Toronto is one of the oldest Canadian universities." Repetition.
• "The largest university in terms of enrollment is the University of Toronto, composed of campuses in three locations"—"composed"-->which has.
• "Five of these universities have campuses in Toronto, the most populated city in the province and the province's capital city"—Repetition of "province".
• Why does this article need these See also links: List of Ontario students' associations, Ontario Student Assistance Program, and Ontario Universities' Application Centre?
• "Guelph & four locations" Shouldn't this be: "Guelph & four other locations"?

Dabomb87 (talk) 17:16, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

All done. I'm keeping "List of student associations" link since it's a list and it's related. I want to keep the table concise so I don't want to include the "other" otherwise the column will stretch. The same point is still made, in that each & represents another location. Facts that are mentioned in the lead and are already referenced in the table don't need to be referenced again as they are just summarizing the information found in the table. Gary King (talk) 17:33, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

I still can't find a source that says U of Toronto is the oldest university in Ontario. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:07, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

If you sort the Established column you will see that this is true. Gary King (talk) 18:20, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Stupid me. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:43, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

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