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The list was promoted 13:19, 14 March 2008.

List of wettest tropical cyclones in the United States[edit]

This article should have all available information concerning the top 10 rainfall amounts (if the state was impacted by 10 systems) for all states, and relevant territories, which have been impacted by Atlantic and Pacific tropical cyclones and their remnants. Thegreatdr (talk) 19:18, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment For the most part, it has no prose, and no lead. I think at least a short descriptive lead would be needed, and a little prose for each state. Juliancolton The storm still blows... 19:34, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment — I'd agree with the suggestion to add a bit of prose. I'm also rather surprised that Hurricanehink hasn't participated in this article. It's the first tropical storm article I've ever seen that doesn't have at least one contribution by him. JKBrooks85 (talk) 09:37, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Now that there is some good prose, I support. Juliancolton The storm still blows... 18:46, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Object: While this article has obviously had a lot of work put into it, and is very good and and almost certainly unique anywhere on the internet, I feel that I have no choice but to object. My reason is the lack to tropical cyclone rainfall info for American Samoa and the US Virgin Islands. If those places were added, (I'm not sure if Johnston or Wake need their own sections), I would have no objection to this being a featured list. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 03:24, 7 March 2008 (UTC) My objection has been resolved. Since I am a member of WP:WPTC, and have edited this page, I'll refrain from explicitely supporting it. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 00:12, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • You bring up good points. The USVI and American Samoa issues have been resolved. Thegreatdr (talk) 14:11, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • comment It would be nicer if each of the tables had the same width, overall and by column. Also, the colums should be sortable so readers can look at the data in various ways. Hmains (talk) 17:29, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Is this possible? If so, show me how and it will be done. Thegreatdr (talk) 20:25, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • I added percentages to the tables. They should all be the same size width, both overall and in each column. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 00:12, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • Help:Sorting says that "Javascript sorting may not work properly on tables with cells extending over multiple rows and/or columns". This list has lots of tables like that. Do you still think sorting should be added? Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 00:41, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • comment I find the map to be difficult to read, even when expanded. Some of the numbers cross state boundries and are unclear. The storm names are fuzzy and hard to read. Are the colors making the problem? Hmains (talk) 17:32, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Have you clicked on the image twice? If you do, it is very clear. Thegreatdr (talk) 20:26, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments. Support I hate to ask, but what about Alaska? The Hurricane Ioke article mentions some rainfall in Alaska from its extratropical remnants, and the CPHC report on Fico (78) also mentions some Alaskan rainfall. I just noticed something while cleaning up the wikilinks; there are two Allison 89's in the Pennsylvania section. I assume one was for Allison 01, but I just wanted to make sure that wasn't a mistake. One more thing. I know {{cite web}}s are a requirement for FAC's, but are they also for FLC's? ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 06:19, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • I went through it. The references should be cite webs now. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 08:50, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Fixed the PA problem...the second Allison was supposed to be Donna. I'll look at those two articles. Maybe Alaska is needed after all. However, I am concerned that we're on a slippery slope here. Many extratropical cyclones which move into the Gulf of Alaska are former Pacific typhoons. Thegreatdr (talk) 16:09, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • Indeed, that could be a problem. Perhaps there should just be a prose section for Alaska, that says something like "No tropical cyclone has ever directly affected Alaska, though the remnants of Pacific typhoons often affect the state. Former Hurricane Ioke brought X inches of rain t Bethel." The tricky part is sourcing, however. ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:48, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
          • Yes. And Alaska is a large state as well, even though the number of precipitation observing sites in AK is similar to FL (due to their small population). It would take a significant amount of time to include AK into the HPC rainfall website, since it would involve cross-checking multiple hurricane databases and somehow obtaining pacific weather analyses from NCDC. Last I checked, they haven't digitized them, at least not prior to nMap's implementation in 1999. The older surface analyses for AK and the northern Hemisphere are quite large and unwieldy. I can't imagine ordering the 30 years of them between 1970 and 1999. Thegreatdr (talk) 16:53, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
            • Quick question. Should the lede clarify that the totals are the highest known rainfall totals? After all, each table lists the top known totals, and since this article has been on FLC, I have seen the order change a few times. Additionally, I'd like some clarification on the following.
              • For Hawaii, tropical cyclones and their remnants which have moved through the central Pacific ocean were considered. For Guam, tropical cyclones which moved through the western Pacific ocean were considered.
            • It doesn't mention American Samoa, it seems a bit repetitive, and I'm not really sure what the sentences mean. ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 01:53, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
              • I reworded the lead. Hopefully it makes more sense now, and is less repetitive. Thegreatdr (talk) 14:31, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
                • Yea. I'll support this now, so this FLC doesn't get closed prematurely, but there's still some things I'd like to see. The image size should probably be the same for the images on the right of each section. The intro for a few of the states don't mention which storm was the wettest, though I'm not sure if that was intentional or not (see South Carolina). It makes it a bit awkward, when you don't know which storm it was. Also, I fixed some of the Wikilinks for the retired storms (by changing Hurricane Floyd (1999) to [[Hurricane Floyd), but I wasn't sure if the year identifier was intentional or not (if so, it should've been Hurricane Floyd (1999)). ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:22, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
                  • Fixed the blurbs. All images are now set to be 250 px wide. Thegreatdr (talk) 14:29, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Now that I look at it, it is very inconsistant; the image map in the lead says the maximum rainfall for New York is Floyd. However, the first sentence in the New York section says it was Diane that dropped the most rainfall. But when I look at the table for New York, it says Connie was the biggest rainfall producer. Which one is it? I question the accuricy of this article. Juliancolton The storm still blows... 14:55, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • The box at the top of the map says: "Maximum Rainfall caused by Tropical Cyclones and their remnants per state (1972-2007)" (emphasis added). The map's only including totals since 1972 explains why Diane is in the list but not the map. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 17:29, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Julian is right about the Connie/Diane mix up. The fix has been made. Thegreatdr (talk) 18:13, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: While looking though it yesterday, I noticed that a few totals are without sources, eg Pamela in Guam. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 16:59, 8 March 2008 (UTC) Struck. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 22:13, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • This was because the former reference for Pamela's rainfall became invalid. The rainfall totals for Guam will have a source once I return to work on Monday morning. After your request for data from American Samoa, I found Guam information as well. Thegreatdr (talk) 18:02, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • I'll strike that comment once Monday comes. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 18:08, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • You might be able to recover it using the Internet Archive. Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 22:28, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • While that is potentially helpful, there have been requests in the past to include Pacific Island info on the HPC rainfall page. I'll include the info on the HPC website tomorrow morning. The stat I found for Pamela was higher than previously referenced. Thegreatdr (talk) 22:32, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I gave the article a full copyedit, but I have a few questions/comments/concerns:
    • The Florida section indicates that the rainfall caused by Easy in '50 was the national record at the time. However, it also states that Easy's record held until '79, which adds several issues. First, the article itself says that Hiki caused 52 in of rain in Hawaii that same year; while it is true that Easy caused more rainfall over a state at the time (as Hawaii was still a territory), can you still say that the Easy's record was national after 1959, when Hawaii entered the Union? Or am I over-complicating stuff?
    • Also along the same lines, that section says that Easy's record was broken by Claudette in '79. But the section about Texas says that in '78, Amelia caused 3 in of rain more than Claudette produced a year later. Both of those points can't be correct, unless I'm missing something obvious.
    • The units for the Puerto Rico section indicate the rainfall in mm / ''. The rest of the article uses in (mm). The units (and the order) should be consistent within the article.
    • There are several sections which have "List of X hurricanes" articles (such as List of California hurricanes, List of Delaware hurricanes, etc.), and it may be a good idea to add them to the respective sections using {{seealso}}. Currently, only Florida has a link to the respective list. Also, adding more links to "Climate of X" articles for each state might be a good idea, for consistency.
  • Otherwise, the article is great. The only other thing I can see is that not all the images are the same width, but that is so minor that nobody cares. I'll support once these points are addressed. Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 10:02, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • I added a blurb about the 42" in TX in 24 hours during Claudette being a rainfall record. The difference between Claudette and Amelia is that Amelia's rainfall was distributed over a series of nights. I don't think any one location received over 30" per 24 hours in Amelia. Hiki's large rainfall (52") occurred over more than 24 hours as well. If you can think of a better way of wording it in the article to avoid confusion, I'm open to it. All concerns about Climate of XX and List of XX Hurricanes being included in see also's within various states have now been addressed. Thegreatdr (talk) 12:45, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • So, would you be able to say that Hiki holds the national precipitation record for a tropical cyclone during its lifetime, and that Amelia holds the storm total rainfall record for the contiguous United States? Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 19:29, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks guys. According to my watch list, this article was promoted over an hour ago to a featured list, but no star has appeared on the main page, the template at the top of the talk page has yet to be changed, and this candidates talk page is still open. I'm not supposed to change these things myself, am I? Thegreatdr (talk) 14:20, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GimmeBot will close this and add the FL star. It is currently inactive (since earlier this morning), but when it comes back on I'm sure it'll add the rest. ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:25, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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