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List of world number one snooker players[edit]

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Nominator(s): Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 22:21, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because it covers the pinnacle of the snooker world rankings. Eleven people have held the number one position in the world since 1976. I welcome any comments. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 22:21, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Kavyansh.Singh[edit]

  • The lead seems bit short. It wouldn't be too long if you merge a summarized version of the "History" section in the lead.
    • Hmm, I'm not sure I want to merge the two sections. Two paragraphs seems suitable for a lede of a list with prose in the body. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 09:16, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The references in the "Number one players" table need to be centered.
  • Add a caption to every table, possible using the {{sronly}} template.
  • Check the title for Ref#4. It should probably just be "2005–6 Main Tour Two Year Rankings". Also, it lacks URL access date.
  • Few work organisations like The Independent, The Belfast Telegraph, The Canberra Times, etc. are linked, while rest are not. Be consistent with linking or not.
  • Add "Shamoon Hafez" in Ref#22 as the name
  • Is there any ISBN number or publishing information for Ref#9 available?
    • Fraid not. It is released more as a magazine, but is a SPS. However, Chris Downer is a snooker historian, so could be considered reliable. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 09:18, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Those are a few minor concerns from me. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 06:35, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

All done Kavyansh.Singh. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:15, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Lee Vilenski – Thanks for addressing most of my concerns. I support this nomination for promotion as a Featured list. Would appreciate your comments on this nomination. Thanks! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 08:53, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from MWright96
  • The two images could do with being upright per MOS:UPRIGHT
  • "Eleven players have held the number-one rank;" - avoid starting a sentence with a number per MOS:NUMNOTES
  • "only seven players held the number-one position." - don't think number one is hyphenated
  • "whilst Selby has done so since it changed to a rolling format." - from which years has Selby held the record since the inception of the rolling format
  • "For the 2010–11 snooker season, the world rankings were changed to be updated after each tournament carrying ranking points." - will need to be verified by a reliable source mentioning all this information
  • Many seasons are not wikilinked in the history section
  • "Alex Higgins would have been ranked number one in 1982–83," - in the 1982–83 snooker season,
  • In the prose just below the List of players section, the seasons don't necessarily need to be linked based on the third point I have made during the review
  • "but had ranking points deducted as a result of disciplinary action." - what caused disclinpary action to be taken against Alex Higgins?
  • "for each period since rankings began in 1976/77." - in the 1976/77 season.
  • The term seeds can be wikilinked to Seed (sports) on its only mention in the prose
  • The reference in the first row of the "Number one players" doesn't mention at all the dates Ray Reardon was snooker's world number one
  • Avoid having floating references by either adding explaining text above the two tables, adding table headers and put the references at the end of them or put the references in the appropriate sections of tables
  • You don't need to have |John Higgins in the sort name templates for John Higgins in the "Annual format (1975–2010)", "Rolling format (2010–present)", "Per season" and "Per frequency"
  • The tables in the sub-headings "Annual format (1975–2010)", "Rolling format (2010–present)", "Per season" and "Per frequency" need to include scope="col"s for each of their columns to comply with MOS:DTAB
  • The "Annual format (1975–2010)", "Rolling format (2010–present)" tables need to be fully referenced for verification purposes
  • The title of Reference 1 "Rankings FAQ | WPBSA | Snooker" - does not need the text highlighted in bold
  • Be consistent with the WPBSA sources; for example References 1 and 3 have the work as "WPBSA" while the rest has "World Professional Billiards and Snooker Association" as the publisher
  • Same with References 11 and 13 which have the publisher as "Global Snooker" while References 11 and 13 has the publisher "Global Snooker Centre"
  • Reference 4 title: "2005-6 Main Tour Two Year Rankings Updated 01/05/06 after 888.com World Championship" - the hypen should be replaced by an en dash (–) per MOS:DASH
  • References 14, 16, 20 and 22 are missing their respective publication dates

That is all what I found during my read through of this list MWright96 (talk) 13:50, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the delay on this one MWright96 - all done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 16:57, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support – Nothing further from yours truly MWright96 (talk) 20:35, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from BennyOnTheLoose[edit]

  • History: This list shouldn't incoporate too much that should be in the main rankings article, but consider mentioning that for a while it was only the World Championship that carried ranking points. (Until the 1982 International Open, I believe).
  • History: consider mentioning that (from 2014/15?) points were based on prize money. IMO that's quite a significant change.
  • Periods: Feels to me like "Even though the rankings officially started in 1976, an Order of Merit was published in 1975 to determine the seedings for events. It used the same criteria that was used to determine the first set of official rankings the following year" should be incorporated into the History section rather than being introduced here.
  • Periods: "criteria that was" - "criteria that were" (because criteria is a plural); or the following.
  • Periods: "It used the same criteria that was used to determine the first set of official rankings the following year" feels a bit backwards, how about something like "The first set of official rankings the following year used the same criteria."?
  • Ref ordering for Reardon ([11][4])
  • Images: Consider and "as of" or different caption for the Selby pic, to avoid it becoming outdated when he loses the number one spot.
  • External links: Isn't "Pro Snooker Blog" a website non grata (even tho' the author went on to work for the WPBSA)?
  • "Rolling format (2010–present)" - reference is archived from August but says a calculation is "as of 11 September 2021"
  • Consider adding https://wst.tv/rankings/ as an external link.

Support from Grapple X[edit]

Resolved comments from 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 17:04, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
*I could be wrong on this (PresN might know better?) but I'm sure that the cell colour alone to denote the once-a-year updates is enough for a screenreader; consider adding something like a dagger or asterisk to allow it to be seen by more than just colour alone. I'd also move the key to before rather than after the table but that's not particularly important.
    • WP:COLOR - you can't use just color to denote information, because vision-impaired/colorblind readers can't see it. Add a † or * to those cells as well/instead. Also, keys usually go above the table, not below. --PresN 13:20, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • I've actually culled it, as I have no idea what this is about. We update the table when someone changes being world number one. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 16:31, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • I don't mean the updates to the article; there was previously a colour-shading to indicate the number-one ranking for years when that ranking was only updated once per year and not on a rolling basis; if you want to keep that demarcation present then just denote it with an additional asterisk or dagger too. Losing it leaves the table accessible too so either/or, really. I've edited and self-reverted a version which would keep the distinction and still be accessible, if you want to retain that then just restore it. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 16:49, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
          • Yeah, I think the prose covers that it was updated once a year. I don't think we benefit from going over that. If there is a need, we can add a dagger or something. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 16:57, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The second external link is just a bare url, maybe format it a little like the one before it?
  • The sport of professional snooker first adopted a ranking system for the 1975–76 snooker season. I'd drop the second "snooker" here, it avoid repetition and it would be clear what the 1975-76 season refers to. The "snooker" in the other season ranges might similarly be trimmed.
  • This was altered from the 2014-15 snooker season. Hyphen here should be a dash
  • Selby has also finished the season seven times ranked in first place. This reads awkwardly, "the season" seems like one singular when it isn't. Suggest Selby has also seven seasons ranked in first place
  • I'm sure how to feel about the mixed usage of slashes and dashes for season ranges. I can see the reason behind it in usages like 1976/1977–1982/1983 as dashes alone would be a mess, but even in standalone usage we have both dashes and slashes used in different places. Standardising everything to a slash would be one fix but I'm happy to hear this out and see what you think.
    • The issues we have is that the articles for the seasons are at 1976–77 snooker season, whilst our articles on the rankings are at Snooker world rankings 1976/1977. I prefer this to be X–Y, which I believe to be correct, but as you say it's awkward at 1990/1991–1997/1998. Happy to change this, but probably something that has had issues with earlier comments on this. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 16:31, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • In that case I would suggest using a dash in all instances where a single season is mentioned, and a slash only when we're mentioning a span of several. As is we have for example ince rankings began in the 1976/77 season and and again in 2006/2007 which I would change to dashes. It would still leave a mix but at least each usage is consistent in its circumstance. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 16:49, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't know if this is actionable and looking at the citation templates being used I can't see why it's happening but there's an unusual mix of how archive URLs are displaying in the reflist, where templates which are coded the same way will alternately display the original link first and the archive link first (as "[archive link], archived from [the original]" or "[link], [achived] from the original"). If there was a reason for the split then I would suggest standardising it but I can't see where this is coming from and if it's not solvable then it's not a concern worth worrying about.
    • This is due to the
@WP:FLC director and delegates: is there anything more I need to do on this nomination? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:48, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source review passed; promoting. --PresN 18:58, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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