Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Modest Mouse discography/archive1

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Modest Mouse discography[edit]

Featured list candidates/Modest Mouse discography/archive1

Nominator(s): Dylan620 ^{(I'm all ears)} 05:47, 10 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, Modest Mouse. Underground darlings turned mainstream juggernauts, these guys are an all-time top 5 artist for me. I'm quite proud of the work I've put into this article/list over the past week or so, and I'm hoping that at this point it's worthy of the FL star. This was my first attempt with working on a discography, so any feedback is appreciated. Dylan620 ^{(I'm all ears)} 05:47, 10 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Aoba47

@Dylan620: The information in the lead that is not supported by the rest of the list (for instance, the first sentence of the lead’s second paragraph and the sentences about the band earning a cult following, getting mainstream exposure, etc.) requires citations. I would suggest going through the lead and adding references for any these types of sentences. This is the main and only issue that I have with the list. Once this is addressed, then I will support this nomination. Aoba47 (talk) 03:26, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Aoba47, thank you for the feedback. I'll see what I can do to address this concern within the next few days. --Dylan620 ^{(I'm all ears)} 13:12, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your response, and take as long as you need. Just ping me when you are through with your revisions and I will look through the list again. Aoba47 (talk) 14:27, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Link Music recording sales certification for "certified".
Avoid the use of # to mean "number".
Some elements of the lead need references, such as "the only Modest Mouse album to feature former The Smiths guitarist Johnny Marr as a member of the band.".
Where are the release dates referenced for each entry and which territory(ies) is the date pertinent to?
Look at other discogs to see the way to note what an en-dash in the table means, i.e. not charting or not released in that territory.
Where is live album referenced?
Where are reissues referenced?
Where are the singles referenced?
Check for MOS:DASH fails in the reference titles, i.e. avoid spaced hyphens in favour of spaced en-dashes.

A lot to do here to meet the standards of other discog FLs. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:49, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@TRM: Points 1, 2, and 9 have just been taken care of; I will see what I can do about points 3 through 8 in the coming days. I have a question about point 4, though. Many of the singles and all of the reissues do not have their own articles, so providing references for those makes sense, but why should the existence of the live album need to be proven by a reference when one can just click on the article for it? Of course I'll still try and dig up a reference if necessary, but I just wanted to have this cleared up. --Dylan620 's public alt ^{(I'm all ears)} 20:42, 2 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Featured lists/articles usually do not rely on blue links for referencing, after all Wikipedia is not a reliable source. The added benefit of bringing sources into the article (even if it's just a copy and paste from the blue linked article) is that this list will standalone and no matter what happens to the linked articles (e.g. editors removing information, links going dead etc), this list will be independent of such problems. And it's not just the existence of the blue linked articles, it's their release dates, their territories etc etc. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:05, 2 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

And for completeness, I clicked on the live album. There's an orange maintenance tag at the top of the article. That's why we should never rely on Wikipedia to source our articles. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:07, 2 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ah okay, that makes perfect sense. I'll see what I can do as quickly as real life will allow. Also FWIW, I've now taken care of point 5. --Dylan620 's public alt ^{(I'm all ears)} 21:28, 2 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Dylan620 two weeks have passed, where are we with all my comments Dylan? The Rambling Man (talk) 22:09, 15 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@TRM: Frustrated. Have spent several days on-and-off trying to look for reliable sources to confirm that "Every Penny Fed Car" and "Four Fingered Fisherman" were the B-sides for the "Birds vs. Worms" single (see relevant RSN post) and that "Shit Luck" was the B-side for the "Heart Cooks Brain" single. I've gone into the "Birds vs. Worms" issue at RSN; for the "Heart Cooks Brain"/"Shit Luck" issue, the best I seem to be able to come up with is the last.fm page (which appears to have been provided by the site, instead of being added by a member of their userbase), and this expired auction listing. The existence of the two singles can already be proven - see this archived web page on the site of their former label - but finding a reliable source for the B-sides has been another story. (Unless the auction listings/last.fm overviews count as reliable sources, in which case problem solved!) Apologies for the wait, between the search efforts and real-life stuff I have made less progress on this than I would have hoped to by now. --Dylan620 ^{(I'm all ears)} 23:19, 15 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Update: problem solved by removing B-sides from the tables in question. --Dylan620 ^{(I'm all ears)} 02:20, 17 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Due to academic obligations which have kept me away from Wikipedia for the past two weeks, and will keep my activity levels at a minimum for the next month or so, I feel it proper to withdraw this nomination at this time. Thank you Aoba and TRM for your feedback; once my workload lightens up (in or around early May), I intend to resume addressing your concerns. Regards, Dylan620 ^{(I'm all ears)} 01:41, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Closing as withdrawn. --Pres N 19:22, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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