Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/North Carolina Tar Heels men's basketball seasons/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by User:Matthewedwards 05:44, 4 October 2008 [1].

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North Carolina Tar Heels men's basketball seasons

I think this list meets all the criteria for FL and I think it would be useful to get a college basketball season article as a FL so it can act as a template for other such lists. Remember (talk) 17:50, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Strong Oppose

• Lead
  • This is a list of seasons completed by the men's basketball team of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill of National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) Division I. - FL's are discouraged to begin with "This is a list of ___"

Revised to state "The men's basketball team of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill is referred to as the North Carolina Tar Heels and play in the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) Division I. The Tar Heels have played their games at the Dean Smith Center since 1986" in accordance with Los Angeles Lakers seasons page.

• • The North Carolina Tar Heels have a 73.6% all-time winning percentage, winning 1,950 games and losing 699 games in the 98 seasons from the team's first season in 1910–11 to the most recent season, 2007–2008.[1][2] - why is the 1910-11 season in that format while the 2007-2008 is not like that (i.e. 2007-08)? Also are there articles about the seasons?

Someone changed some of the format of the seasons, but I have changed them to be consistent as well as refraining from using the n dash since these seasons do have page articles which do not use the N-dash. So yes, there are articles about the seasons, but they are slowly being put together. Let me know if there is any other inconsistent use of years.

I have now added links to all of the season years.

• • The Tar Heels also have the most consecutive 20-win seasons, with 31 seasons from the 1970–71 seasons through 2000–2001 season. - what is "20-win seasons?

A 20-win season is a season in which a team wins 20 games. I thought that was pretty self-explanatory, so I am a bit confused by the confusion. A 20-win season is a pretty big deal in college basketball given the fact that if you don't do well in tournaments (or don't go to them) you may only have about 28 games in a season.

• • No need to say "North Carolina Tar Heels" over and over, Tar Heels or even Heels will do just fine.

I will revise.

• • In 1921 North Carolina joined the Southern Conference. - the southern conference of what?

Changed to read - "In 1921 North Carolina joined the newly formed Southern Conference, a college athletic conference affiliated with the NCAA's Division I."

• • I'm not even going to review the rest of the lead because it is too long, more than 5 pargraphs, fails WP:LEDE and CR 4 and 2.

I will shorten

• Table
  • The table is also messy and some refs are used multiple times but are not in the correct format using {{nw|<ref name="(name goes here)">}}

I will reformat the references, but I don't know what you mean when you say the table is "messy."

Any more suggestions are welcome. Remember (talk) 12:00, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

--S_RX 01:01, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

In my eyes its messy per the so many different colors representing a certain thing. Another thing is the totals, can they not be incorporated into a row in the table? Also it's appearance looks messy because in the column that has quarterfinalist, semifinalist, etc. some have links some dont, and most of the seasons are red links.--S_RX 00:47, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree that the totals section could use with better formatting, but I was at a loss on how to do it. I want the large table to still be sortable, and I believe all of the total information is useful. I just don't know how I should construct the total section to make it the most user friendly layout. Any suggestions are welcome.

I added a totals section at the bottom, but any further advice on how to make this work would be welcome. Remember (talk) 13:16, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

As for the conference final section, the problem is that there are pages for the ACC Tournament for each year but not for the Southern Conference. I didn't know whether to set up webpages for each Southern Conference Tournament pages via redlinks or whether just to link to the page on the Southern Conference Tournament (even though it only shows the winners).

As for the various colors, I actually link them and think they are informative, but that is my opinion and others could easily differ. Remember (talk) 12:59, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• My first suggestion would be to get your references into order. A number of your website references lack publisher and/or last access dates, which are the bare minimum needed for WP:V. Books need publisher, author, and page number on top of title. Ealdgyth - Talk 12:50, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Excellent point. I will revise them. Remember (talk) 12:58, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Oppose

• Lead far too long - see WP:LEAD.
• Don't overlink North Carolina Tar Heels men's basketball.
• Use en-dash for season year ranges, not hyphen, per WP:DASH.
• In order to meet WP:WIAFL and bearing in mind this a "seasons" list, you need to have articles about most, if not all of the Tar Heels seasons.
• There's plenty more but once you fix the above, I'll be happy to continue the comments.

The Rambling Man (talk) 16:28, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for all the suggestions. I doubt I will have time to make all of these changes before this nomination closes out, but I will try to make them in the future. So any additional comments you could provide would still be useful. Remember (talk) 17:35, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

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