Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Opeth discography

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:The Rambling Man 09:39, 25 August 2008 [1].

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Opeth discography

I think it is ready to receive criticism and be a FL. The work was divided between me and Burningclean (talk · contribs).

Cannibaloki 22:59, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Cannibaloki. I'll help out with the nom too. Burningclean _[speak] 23:47, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

:) or :]. Support --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 09:43, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

• Weak oppose
  • In 2008, the band released its ninth studio album Watershed, which debuted at best-career number 23 on the Billboard 200, and peaked the top of Finnish chart.[2] - "at best career number", so this is the best they have done right? The way it is worded is confusing, how about at 23 on the Billboard 200, their career best position or something like that.
  • There are many claims in the lead but there is only two references, and they do not cover the entire prose entirely.
  • What is verifying the directors in the music videos, if it is the refs on the song title, they should be moved to the directors column, if not, refs need to be found.--S_RX 22:45, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
• Further comments
  • Looks better, but I will give a conditional support if refs are given to verify the information in the second para. in the lead about them forming, there is nothing to back that up.--S_RX 13:37, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
    • Support - looks way better with new sources.--S_RX 20:16, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
• Comments
  • The article about Opeth calls them "heavy metal" while this list says they're "progressive death metal". I know the other article isn't at FLC/FAC or whatever but I hate these kind of discrepancies - can you sort it out one way or the other?
    •  Done This is really a problem.
  • The "one video" in the lead - is this a video album per the infobox?
    •  Done I think...
  • "He later recruited bassist Mikael Åkerfeldt without the consent of the other band members he previously hired. An argument between Isberg and the other members, with the exception of Åkerfeldt, led to the departure of all members except Isberg and Åkerfeldt." This reads factually correct but really awkwardly. I think you could rephrase into two sentences and really improve the prose. We don't really need to know about the argument I guess, we could just say "He later recruited bassist Mikael Åkerfeldt without the consent of the other band members he previously hired which resulted in the departure..." or something like that?
    •  Done Hmm...
  • Ref 1 is dead so I can't check it fully references the lead.
    •  Done dead → resurrected
  • "keep the band going" doesn't read particularly encyclopedic.
    •  Done Fixed.
  • "He contacted guitarist " - then what? Did they join him in the band?
    •  Done Fixed.
  • "In 1995, Opeth released its first studio album, Orchid. After several more lineup shifts, the band released Morningrise and My Arms, Your Hearse in 1996 and 1997 respectively." choppy first sentence, consider merging with the following, "...Orchid, and after more changes to the lineup, the band..."
    •  Done Fixed.
  • A lot of personnel information in an article which should be focussed on the discography.
  • "peaked the top" peaked at the top?
    •  Done hehe, this word was eaten!
  • Can I be sure the first six albums were released in all 12 of those countries? Your key says ""—" denotes a release that did not chart." but where is the proof that they actually released the albums which then went on to not chart? There is a big difference between failing to chart and not being released at all.
    •  Done I changed this information, but I do not know exactly what you wanted.
      • I undid this edition because all the albums were released on countries present on chart table. Cannibaloki 18:34, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Where were the singles released and how did they chart?
    •  Not done None of singles did chart, in anywhere.
      • Were any of them released in any country? In any case it should be noted that none of the singles charted explicitly rather than just leave it up to the imagination. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:03, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
        • "The discography of Opeth, a Stockholm, Sweden-based heavy metal band, consists of nine studio albums, two live albums, two box sets, six singles which did not chart in anywhere, and a video album certified as gold on Canada". — I found the way, but need your help. Cannibaloki 17:40, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
          • I removed this section, because not found any reliable source to prove the existence of these singles. Cannibaloki 19:12, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Videography section - Videos - is this Video albums?
    •  Done I only modified the name of this section, because MOS:DISCOG ≠ WP:WIAFL.
  • Ref 15 is not explicit, find another one please.
    •  Done taken from blabbermouth.net.
  • Not convinced Zobbel is WP:RS. I have been told it takes its information from a published chart book, in which case use that source, not this transcribed (possibly erroneous - I've seen mistakes in it) version.
    •  Done Already removed.
• The Rambling Man (talk) 07:42, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• The order of sections in the page should match the order given in the infobox. Or vica versa.
• Is the Austrian chart position of #53 for one album that notable that it aids in the understanding of how well the album performed?
• Blabbermouth doesn't appear to be the publisher of the references. It's Road Runner Records.

Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 01:39, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Important note Cannibaloki was recently blocked for an as of now unknown amount of time. Unless he is unblocked and steps back in, I will fully take over this nomination. Burningclean _[speak] 05:21, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

It was not me that was blocked, but the server on which I use to access the Wikipedia. Cannibaloki 17:22, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Okay, that's cool. Sorry about that. Burningclean _[speak] 17:38, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

• The albums table has a lot of em-dash which the key describes as ""—" denotes a release that did not chart." - are you sure that each album was released in each country? The Rambling Man (talk) 07:03, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Comments sources look good, links checked out with the link checker tool. I wasn't able to evaluate the reliability of the non-English sources. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:17, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

• The first six albums have the "was not released or no information available" key - what references back each and every one of these up please? Do you think featured content should have "information not available"? I doubt it. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:21, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
  • What I should write or do? Cannibaloki 16:58, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
    • Well you need to find out if those albums were released in any of those countries otherwise 75% of that table is "unknown". The Rambling Man (talk) 17:01, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
      • "–" unknown. or I should write unknown in the center of this 75% for first 6 releases? Cannibaloki 17:25, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
        • No, there really shouldn't be anything "unknown" in these lists. More research required. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:29, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
          • I found in the Opeth's official website information about the countries where the albums were released and at the right of each page of the album release, still is few information? Cannibaloki 18:54, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
          • "—" denotes releases that did not chart or were not released in that country. I think it is better, what you think? Cannibaloki 19:24, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

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