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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 07:12, 11 April 2009 [1].

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Paulini Curuenavuli discography

Nominator(s): Alex Douglas (talk)

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I am nominating this for featured list because I, before my username change as Hpfan9374, have significantly contributed to the list and believe it meets all attributes of the featured list criteria. The discography follows the same format as my previous discographies for past Australian Idol contestants, Ricki-Lee Coulter discography and Joel Turner discography. Please note that Paulini Curuenavuli has only charted in Australia, except for her debut single, "Angel Eyes" which also charted in New Zealand. I'm willing to address all concerns and will check this candidacy several times a day. This list has previously undergone feature list candidacy, however failed because the music video director's name(s) was not found in reliable sources. They are not on the internet, I have searched it for hours just trying to find the music video director's name(s). They are not on the liner notes to the singles or any of her subsequent releases. In the last candidacy, I contacted Paulini's management and even after they contacted Paulini directly, they were unable to provide me with the music video director's name(s). Unless, consensus has changed, a previous precedent made in the featured list candidacy of Paul Kelly discography stands that a list can become featured, if it does not contain the music video director's name(s) for up to two music videos, by using a footnote stating that the "Director name for these music videos has not been found in reliable sources." I ask you to consider, all of the above, before reviewing this discography. Thanks! Alex Douglas (talk) 03:06, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

• Comment -- Before I fully review, the lead needs to be expanded like it is in other FLs of the same subject.--Best, ₮RUCӨ 23:41, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
  • I have added a sentence that introduces the subject, Paulini. If you believe the lead still needs to be expanded, please suggest what needs to be included. I await your response. Thanks for your comments. Alex Douglas (talk) 00:27, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
    • I have since expanded the article further by acknowledging Paulini's membership with the Young Divas. If any more needs to be included or if you feel the lead needs to be expanded further, please state them and I will address them as soon as possible. Thanks! Alex Douglas (talk) 10:29, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

• Comments
• I agree that the lead should be expanded with some more general information.
  • I have added a sentence that introduces the subject, Paulini. If you believe the lead still needs to be expanded, please suggest what needs to be included. I await your response. Thanks for your comments.
    • I have since expanded the article further by acknowledging Paulini's membership with the Young Divas. If any more needs to be included or if you feel the lead needs to be expanded further, please state them and I will address them as soon as possible. Thanks! Alex Douglas (talk) 10:29, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
• As of December 2008, Paulini is working on her third studio album. - Is it possible to find a more recent report?
  • I have searched the internet and have already exhausted most online resources about Paulini, and could not find a more recent news article or report that references that she is working on her third studio album.
• The link to the references section in the infobox is rather odd, though I'm not sure if that's standard.
  • The "References" field in the Artist Discography infobox states "yes". This is standard for artist discographies, see FLs of the same subject.

–Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 01:42, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Thankyou very much for your comments. If you have any further concerns, please state them and I will address them as soon as possible. Alex Douglas (talk) 00:27, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Shaidar_cuebiyar

Comments

• Membership of Young Divas not mentioned.
• Non-notable chart positions should not be mentioned in Lead - leave for table(s).
  • Replace and peaked at number thirty-four in New Zealand with and peaked into the Top 40 in New Zealand. Use a specific Australian Charts Portal ref for "Angel Eyes" number one (it covers NZ appearance).
  • Replace despite peaking at number seventy-two. with or peak in the Top 50. You can use more generic Australian Charts Portal (Ref #8) to verify it did not appear.
• Disambiguate predecessor in The album failed to achieve the commercial success of its predecessor, despite peaking at number seventy-two. The predecessor could be the EP just mentioned in previous sentence. Also fix chart peak in line with previous comment. Hence, try The album failed to achieve the commercial success of her first album and did not peak in the Top 50. Ref #8 can go here too.
• Check refs:

1. Ref#1: Use work=[[The Age]]|publisher=[[Fairfax Media]] inside ref.
2. Ref#2: Use work=[[The Courier-Mail]]|publisher=[[News Corporation]] inside ref.
3. Ref#3: Use original source at allmusic as written by Matthew Chisling. For chart peak, see note above.
4. Ref#4: Add in |last=Blackman|first=Guy and change work=The Age|publisher=Fairfax Media in ref.
5. Ref#5: Something weird is happening with the Sony link, I ended up at bandit.fm and had to do a search to find bandit.fm - xidol - Paulini. I couldn’t see the article you're citing: you might have to check this and use the redirected link to search for a direct connection.
6. Ref#6: Chart peaks in Lead should be from ARIA. See note(s) above.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 00:29, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
7. Ref#7: Use work=[[Fiji Times]]|publisher=[[News Coporation]] inside ref.
8. Ref#8 OK.
9. Ref#9 wikilink Australian Recording Industry Association here. First appearance.
10. Ref#10 delink Australian Recording Industry Association here. Subsequent appearance.
11. Ref#11–15 OK.
16. Ref#16 I'm assuming you're using this ref for verifying the list of Australian Idols on the album not its chart position. Hence change title=Rise Up #1 to more accurate title=Cast Album released next week and change date=2003-10-20 to date=2003-10-19.
17. Ref#17 OK.
18. Ref#18 Tells me its directed by TWiN, don't see names Jonathan and Josh Baker. What gives?

Only problem, not major at all. The videos were directed by TWiN, who are a video director duo whose members are Jonathan and Josh Baker. What would you suggest doing? I've changed it to TWiN now, but if you have a concern regarding that, just tell me.

You've done well.

1. Ref#19 See #18 above.
2. Ref#20 Similar problem to #5 above.
3. Ref#21 OK.
4. Ref#22 Similar problem to #5 above.
5. Ref#23 OK.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 01:18, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Whew! That was fun. I'm pretty sure I've addressed all your concerns. Paulini's membership with the Young Divas has now been acknowledged. All non-notable chart positions have been removed from the lead and re-referenced and re-worded, as per your request. Changed the "predecessor" sentence to your suggested phrasing. I have edited the reference to include all of your suggestions. See my query about the directors of the "Rough Day" and "So Over You" music videos. About Sony BMG's website changes, I have changed the references to some of them, but to reference the director of the "I Believe" music video, I have added a footnote that informs the reader how to access the information, in a similiar way as some footnotes in Eminem discography. Thankyou very much for your comments as they not only help to improve this article, but many others, as it expands my WikiKnowledge. Alex Douglas (talk) 10:22, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

• Support - my issues have been resolved to meet the FL Criteria. Congratulations and best wishes on future efforts.--Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 08:14, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Thankyou very much for your support Shaidar cuebiyar. I greatly appreciated your comments and assistance; they will help me expand as a wikipedian. Thanks! Alex Douglas (talk) 08:31, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs) Comment Could this not be merged back into the main article? The number of tables is short enough that merging this info would not make the main article overwhelming. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:37, 27 March 2009 (UTC) This discography contains nineteen releases. It warrants a stand-alone list and general consesus has it that a discography generally must have atleast ten releases in order to acheive featured-list status. I don't think it would be right to deprive this discography from attaining the aforementioned status, merely because it 'could' fit in the article as an embedded list. Thanks for your comments. Alex Douglas (talk) 23:52, 27 March 2009 (UTC) "Curuenavuli came to prominence, after placing fourth on the first season of Australian Idol in 2003." 1)Comma not necessary; 2) "came"-->rose Fixed. Can you mention which record labels she has released her albums on? Added "on Sony BMG" to sentences about the release of her albums. "peaked into the Top 40"-->reached the Top 40 Fixed wording. "failed to receive certification, or peak in the Top 50." Comma not needed. Removed comma. "number twenty-six"-->number 26 Changed. Note 3 should be part of ref 21, not a footnote. Format as follows:<ref>{{cite news |url=http://www.bandit.fm/xidol/paulini |title=Paulini |accessdate=2009-04-02 |work=xidol |publisher=bandit.fm |date=2006-08-17 |accessdate=2009-04-02}} To retrieve the director's name for the "I Believe" music video, select the news item "Paulini Still Believes: Check Out Her Gorgeous New Video + Exclusive Pics".</ref> Dabomb87 (talk) 15:44, 4 April 2009 (UTC) Fixed note 3 to your suggestion. Looks much better. Alex Douglas (talk) 23:28, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 12:23, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

• For the "australian-charts.com. " and similar New Zealand charts refs, adding the website name and "Australian charts portal. " is redundant. Remove one of them.

Agreed. I have removed the redundant "Australian charts portal."

• What makes http://www.bandit.fm/xidol/paulini a reliable source?

This website is Sony BMG's new website, it is the only online resource that references the music video director of Paulini's "I Believe" music video.

• Ref 22, Sanity links to the wrong article. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:44, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Fixed, removed pop-up also. Thankyou for your comments, the list is looking better and better each day. I'll be sure to make note of your comments when I create another discography. Thanks! Alex Douglas (talk) 23:28, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

• Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 12:23, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Thankyou very much for your support and comments, particularly in regard to sourcing. Alex Douglas (talk) 02:30, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 15:46, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

*Oppose Not sure that "instore" is essential for the caption. Agreed, "instore" does seem a bit redundant. Numbers in the infobox don't match info in the list... 5 or 6 singles? 2 or 5 other appearances? Fixed to correct numbers. "..commonly known as Paulini is an Australian..." seems to be missing a comma after Paulini... Added comma. "...came to prominence, after placing fourth..." seems to have an unnecessary comma... Removed the comma and changed the wording of "came" to "rose" as per the request of Dabomb87. "...peaked into the Top 40 in New Zealand..." sorry? can we be precise here? Changed to "reached at number 34". Overuse of "peak" I feel. Not "peaking" in the top 40 could also be written "did not achieve Top 40 status", "did not make it into the Top 40"... whatever, but the prose is hardly engaging I'm afraid, due to the repetitions. I think you referring to here is "Superwoman" and "Amazing Grace: Songs for Christmas" outside of the "Top 50"? I have changed some occurances of "peak" or "peaked" to "reach" and "reached". I have changed the wording of "Superwoman" and "Amazing Grace: Songs for Christmas" to your suggested wording. I prefer references in numerical order. So, not [6][5], but [5][6]. Whoops. I've fixed that up now. "twenty-six", why not just 26? Fixed. I would make her co-founding of a girl band a third paragraph in the lead as it is distinct from her solo stuff. Alright, created a third paragraph, acknowledging her releases with the Young Divas. I've expanded it aswell, to include the group's second album; hopefully it's not too long and not too short. Also, I have added the 'otheruses' template to the discography, similiar to Eminem discography as this will ensure that the scope and inclusion criteria is defined. [nb 3] refers to a link that you haven't got to yet. If you can't cite this any other way then I suggest you put the note into the citation so it's clear in one place what you need to do to see the information you require. Fixed note 3 so as to satisfy Dabomb87. I believe I've fixed it now, but if you still have a concern with it, please tell me. And I am also concerned about the sources that Dabomb87 has noted. This website is Sony BMG's new website, it is the only online resource that references the music video director of Paulini's "I Believe" music video. The Sanity link has been corrected. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:37, 4 April 2009 (UTC) Thankyou for your comments. I hope my edits have addressed your concerns. If you have any further concerns, please state them and I'd be glad to address them as soon as possible. Thanks! Alex Douglas (talk) 23:28, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

• Weak support but you must fix...
  • Music Videos doesn't tie up between infobox and list.
• The Rambling Man (talk) 19:44, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

I have changed the number of music videos from the infobox to "5" under the Music videos field, so as to reflect the true content of the list. Thankyou very much for your support and continued comments and suggestions, I will be sure to read over your comments again before putting another discography through featured list candidacy. Alex Douglas (talk) 02:30, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Comments References still need a bit of work. There's a couple of "Australian charts portal"s; Allmusic is a website and shouldn't be italicised, and the date format is a mix between the Commonwealth dd mm yyyy and the ISO yyyy-mm-dd. Ideally they should be the same format as in the main body of the article. Matthewedwards :  Chat  02:37, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I have removed the single occurence of the phrase "Australian charts portal" from the references. Allmusic is a website, however it should be placed under the "work" field of the cite web template as it is the item's larger work (the website the webpage is found on). The default format of this field is italicised, I don't believe this can be changed. If you still have a concern about this, please suggest how this template should be used when referencing the Allmusic website or raise it on the discussion page for the cite web template, as I have used this template in the same way as a multitude of other featured lists on the same subject do. I have changed formatted the entirity of the reference's dates into the Commonwealth standard, as this is the same format used in the main body of the list. I hope you are satisfied with my recent edits, in regard to addressing your concerns, if you have any further comments, suggestions, issues, problems or queries with this list please state them so I can get to them as soon as possible. Thanks! Alex Douglas (talk) 07:28, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

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