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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 17:55, 24 April 2011 [1].

Philadelphia Phillies all-time roster (G)[edit]

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Nominator(s): — KV5 • Talk • 00:39, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

List number six in the series. Comments welcome and speedily addressed. Cheers. — KV5 • Talk • 00:39, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Just mentioning that this has 80+ items and H has 130+ => no reasonable merging is apparent => there should not be any CFORK issues. Nergaal (talk) 16:19, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 16:59, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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  • I suppose this may affect every list of this type, but can I just confirm that " the player's primary team" is the one he played most games for? We don't have a this phrasing in British football so I think it may be a good case for a footnote.
  • Tsk, this too - the draft lists usually have the handedness of the pitcher, why not these lists?

The Rambling Man (talk) 15:48, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Actually, the player's primary team is not necessarily the team he played the most games for, but rather the team with which the Hall of Fame determined that he had the greatest impact. The Hall alone determines the primary team. As for the handedness, it's noted in the draft lists because many teams draft specifically-handed pitchers based on need, which is not necessarily the case with a full team's roster. — KV5 • Talk • 21:05, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Okay, well can we "note" the thing about the "primary team" because I didn't get it and therefore assume other non-experts will fail too. As for the handedness, fine, no worries. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:18, 12 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'll see what I can find. I don't know if the Hall itself has any information on it, but some news outlets might. — KV5 • Talk • 11:08, 12 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • TRM, how would this source suit you? It states that the player's baseball cap, which is how the primary team is designated, "shows the marks of the team with which he made his most indelible mark", that "[the] choice of which team logo appears on a player’s plaque is the museum’s decision, though the wishes of an inductee are always considered", and that "it is important that the logo be emblematic of the historical accomplishments of that player’s career". — KV5 • Talk • 18:06, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yeah, the HoF cap system is really really weird. IIRC they used to let players pick but changed out of a fear that teams would try to "influence" (read: bribe) players into picking their team. For a recent example see Andre Dawson, even though he played almost twice as much for the Montreal Expos as opposed to the Chicago Cubs he said it was "a little gut-wrenching" when he was given an Expos cap for his plaque. Staxringold talkcontribs 19:38, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • So, and I don't want this to sound patronising, but how do we explain to our readers what "primary team" is when, between us, we're finding it hard to come up with an objective definition of it? The Rambling Man (talk) 00:09, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • The purely objective definition is that the Hall defines the team, in consideration of the player's wishes but not always necessarily equal to them, and marks their cap accordingly. If we want to be purely objective as an encyclopedia, that's the ticket. That doesn't mean that the Hall or the players are objective, but they don't have to be. Only we do. — KV5 • Talk • 02:57, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Alright, there's now an "H" footnote discussing the cap selection process, using the ref from the Crier. — KV5 • Talk • 12:26, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Read through, meets standards. Courcelles 23:59, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]


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