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The list was promoted by Giants2008 23:02, 1 June 2014 [1].

Ralph Richardson, roles and awards[edit]

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Nominator(s): SchroCat (talk) 16:39, 4 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ralph Richardson was a prodigious actor whose career ran from 1920 to 1983. He appeared in a huge number of films, stage shows, television dramas and radio plays. As one of the foremost actors of the 20th century awards and honours were heaped upon him. This list was originally set up by Tim riley during his revamp of the Richardson article to well-deserved FA status: I've just done some minor tweaking round the edges to bring it to FLC. - SchroCat (talk) 16:39, 4 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support An excellent list. Some minor things though

  • Radio plays -no characters?
  • Sadly not: the sources only show the titles and years, not the channels or roles. - SchroCat (talk) 11:46, 5 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Does British Film Institute really need to be linked several dozen times in sourcing?
  • It's a bit like the linking in the table, which can alter depending on which criteria is selected: the sources also change position, so it could be any one of a number that are the first link to be selected. - SchroCat (talk) 11:46, 5 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the lead I think you should probably mention his most notable Oscar/BAFTA wins/noms.♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:23, 4 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yep, I agree. I'll add some shortly. Many thanks for looking through, and I'll tweak the lead accordingly. Cheers! - SchroCat (talk) 11:46, 5 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – As noted above I had substantial input to the article earlier on and so I am ineligible to offer support here as I would otherwise have enthusiastically done. But I think I can, without impropriety, thank SchroCat for turning my workaday efforts into something first class. On a first read through of the current page I have found nothing to query; I’ll re-read and comment below if I find anything. The page as I left it was in no danger of getting anywhere near FL, but I shall be surprised if the much enhanced version now before us is not promoted. – Tim riley (talk) 19:12, 4 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support – Another great list which compliments the equally great main article. Few things...

  • "After touring and appearing in rep, he made his London debut..." – I think the noun form would help differentiate between Richardson and Benson here, both of whom are mentioned in the previous sentence together. I note we do use the pronoun for RR in the previous sentence which is fine, but as it is a new sentence, the distinction should, IMO, once again be made.
  • "After service during the Second World War with Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve..." – The Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve?
  • "A radio career ran in parallel to the stage Richardson was first broadcast in The City in 1929." – May need re-writing.
  • "Richardson's film career began in 1931 as an uncredited extra in Dreyfus; he did not take film seriously as a medium, but undertook the work for money." – possibly – "Richardson's film career began in 1931 as an uncredited extra in Dreyfus; as a medium, he disliked film, and only undertook the lucrative work for financial gain." (Not fussed on this one though)
    • Riley oar being put in: that's going much too far. He did the films for the money, it's true, but he said he learned a lot from acting for the camera. He said, "I've never been one of those chaps who scoff at films. I think they're a marvellous medium, and are to the stage what engravings are to painting. The theatre may give you big chances, but the cinema teaches you the details of craftsmanship." Tim riley (talk) 17:37, 6 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • "McFarlane considered that in Richardson's performances, "every so often he would..." – the run up to the quote doesn't quite fit. For the current run up to be used "every so often he would" would need to be omitted, which would then blend in nicely with the rest of the quote: "McFarlane considered that Richardson's performances, "would remind one that he had few peers and no superiors in his particular line".
  • I would slightly rework the ending so that the death is chronological. At the moment, he dies then makes an appearance in Greystoke: The Legend of Tarzan, Lord of the Apes. -- Cassiantotalk 16:43, 6 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Many thanks! I've addressed most, and just need to think a bit more about the tweaking at the end (to some extent he did make an appearance in Greystone after for death, as the film was released posthumously). I'll mull over some suitable change and get back to you! Thanks again. - SchroCat (talk) 20:57, 6 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – The title is a little non-standard. Generally those would be two articles since they deal with two topics, broken into List of awards and nominations received by Ralph Richardson and Ralph Richardson filmography. Since the awards section is quite short, I'd recommend 'Awards and honours' be reincorporated directly into Ralph Richardson, and the remaining material moved to an article at Ralph Richardson filmography. That title implies only works in TV and film, however, so perhaps List of the roles of Ralph Richardson or something similar might work. --Prosperosity (talk) 10:34, 16 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  1. Not overly "non-standard", as others in the same format exist. There is, however, a related discussion on the matter, which may affect the title here.
  2. There is no logical basis for two articles at all: one is sufficient as they deal with one subject: the career history of Raph Richardson (or, if you prefer, Richardson's roles, and the awards he recieved for such roles). Again we have a number of other articles that adopt a similar structure. - SchroCat (talk) 10:41, 16 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
This latest suggestion is not attractive. The notion of dumping a list back into a text article is regressive, and the present arrangement of having all the career lists on one page and the biography article on another is logical and sensible. Incidentally, with the babel of voices on the Gielgud cognate page, might it be worthwhile contemplating replacing the comma in the title with a colon? That would do no real damage and might head off some of the more bloodthirsty members of the lynch-mob. Then again it might not. – Tim riley (talk) 12:49, 16 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'm going to leave it until the the new conversation comes up with further thoughts. If there is no consensus on how to deal with these titles, then a colon may be the best way to go. - SchroCat (talk) 12:58, 16 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Looks good, overall. These are my edits – please revert if you don't like the changes.

  • I was going to say something about the title as well, but I'll save it for the centralised discussion. I don't think a colon would be the way to go.
  • Might be worth linking "rep" – I wasn't entirely sure what it meant at first.
  • Could be a good idea to mention in the image caption of the first image whether Richardson is on the right or the left. What with them being in costume, it's not immediately obvious if you're not familiar with the actors
  • The Alchemist and The Rivals need to sort under A and R respectively.
  • Similarly, The Morecambe and Wise Christmas Show and The Wednesday Special: Comets Among the Stars need to sort under M and W.
  • MOS:TABLE suggests that only the first word in a table caption should be capitalised, i.e. "Film or production" rather than "Film or Production".
  • It might be worth putting something in the "Film or production" column for the Laurence Olivier Award, rather than just having an empty cell. {{n/a}} is quite good for this, but I'll leave that up to you.
  • Grammy Award for Best Spoken Word Album doesn't list Richardson anywhere – is this an error on their part?
  • Looks like it - there are a couple of good sources that confirm this. - SchroCat (talk) 23:12, 20 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 17:46, 20 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

All done - many thanks for your thoughts! - SchroCat (talk) 23:12, 20 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Review from Crisco 1492
    • David Ayliff - well, for a general overview like this it is odd to have such a powerful quote attributed to a person who has no article about him... *hint hint*
      • I'll have a dig round to see if there is enough for a stand alone article; I'll replace if not. - SchroCat (talk) 16:40, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • I've trimmed a little fat; please verify
    • Link Oliver Twist to the novel? (as a side note: our article essentially has no overview of anything in Template:Oliver Twist. This is disgusting). Couple other possibilities too, like Moby-Dick
      • Done all. (I';m very surprised by that: there should be an adaptations section in there at least! - SchroCat (talk) 16:40, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • Oedipus Rex is a redirect; pipe Oedipus Rex?
    • Several plays seem to be unlinked even though we have articles. Home at Seven (play) and The White Carnation, for instance
    • In Memoriam - Perchance could this be Tennyson's In Memoriam A.H.H.?
      • I'll need to check on this. - SchroCat (talk) 16:40, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
        • Almost certainly, I should think. The papers listed readings from Tennyson's poem for BBC broadcast on 1 October 1936, but the name of those reading the lines are not mentioned. Without checking The Radio Times for more detail one can't be certain, and I think it's probably best not to assume. Tim riley talk 17:50, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
          • But if we can confirm, it should be linked. Not something that would hold back my support, however. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:53, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Otherwise not much to nitpick over. Good work. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:51, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on prose. Good work, everyone. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:58, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • Many thanks indeed for looking this over: much appreciated! Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 16:40, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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