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The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 10:01, 12 April 2013 (UTC) [1].[reply]

South Africa national women's cricket team record by opponent[edit]

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Nominator(s): Harrias talk 07:56, 6 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's been a while since I've nominated a list related to the South Africa women's cricket team, so here we go! I have another nomination open Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of women's Test cricketers who have taken five wickets on debut/archive1, but it has two supports, and few remaining concerns. I hope that the community will trust in me to cope with the two nominations adequately. This list is based on similar lists from the football world, such as Sheffield United F.C. league record by opponent and Malmö FF league record by opponent. As always, all comments, thoughts and issues appreciated! Harrias talk 07:56, 6 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment – "Although the men's national team returned to international cricket in 1991, South Africa women did not compete again until 1997". "the" would be helpful before South Africa here. Giants2008 (Talk) 14:20, 15 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • I still see this in the lead. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:01, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • Sorry, I intended to reply, but forgot to. I don't think the suggestion would make grammatical sense, at least in (cricketing) British English. In internationals, the South African women's team is generally referred to simply as "South Africa women", in the same way as the men's team is generally referred to as "South Africa". If this jars too much grammatically as it is, I think it would need rewriting to something like "Although the men's national team returned to international cricket in 1991, the women's team did not compete again until 1997.." Which although slightly repetitive, should satisfy us both? Harrias talk 16:02, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Zia Khan 00:27, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comments–
  • For consistency, unlink South Africa.
  • Link One Day International on 1st occasion, same for the Tests.
  • You may add a "Total" row in the tables.
  • Add a template at the end of the list.
  • At the moment there is not an appropriate navigation box, but when there is one, I will add it to the article. Harrias talk 12:42, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Link CricketArchive and ESPNcricinfo on 1st occasion as you did to The Guardian.

Please take a look at Clarke's list if got some time. Zia Khan 04:19, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support – Meets the standards. Zia Khan 00:27, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 14:54, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • A Key section is required.
  • I don't think that those columns are necessary: as there have been no ties (as listed in the table) it is obvious that there will be no Tie+W or Tie+L. If in the future there is one such result, I will add both columns in. Harrias talk 12:42, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from —Vensatry (Ping me) 10:57, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Link New Zealand and T20Is appropriately in the lead.
  • Link "Commonwealth Secretariat" in refs
  • Year of the last match between South Africa and the listed opponent -> Year of the latest match between South Africa and the listed opponent
  • You could add a note explaining how the win% is calculated on the table
  • Remove the Total for "first" and "last" columns from the table
  • I disagree on this point; it gives a useful indication of their total span in each format of the game. Harrias talk 14:10, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

—Vensatry (Ping me) 17:34, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 16:53, 11 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comments picky as ever...
  • "They... Their... They..." reads a little dull.
    • Tweaked the first paragraph a bit, any better now? Harrias talk 16:13, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Since then, the team has played regularly in One Day Internationals (ODI). The introduction of Twenty20 cricket in the early part of the 21st century has all but eliminated Test cricket from the woman's game.[2]" these two sentences feel a little odd together. Maybe there's a way to re-phrase it?
    • Presumably, the main oddity is the jump from talking about ODI cricket to talking about Tests and T20? I was trying to follow a mostly chronological line, but I can try changing things a bit if you think it would help? Harrias talk 16:13, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "South Africa have only played four different sides in women's Test cricket, with their most frequent opponent being England, against whom South Africa have contested six Tests" a touch clumsy for me, maybe something like "South Africa have played four different sides in women's Test cricket, with England their most frequent opponent, having faced them in six Tests"? Not sure, just feels like the sentence there right now is a little too much "follow-on...".
  • "In women's Twenty20 Internationals" - use the abbreviation you've already introduced.
    • But it's such a horrible abbreviation! Done. Harrias talk 16:13, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "They have recorded the most victories..." last team mentioned was West Indies...
    • Tweaked, though now there seems a lot of repetition of "South Africa."
  • In the Key, last five items need an en-dash, not a hyphen.
  • You have a W%, D% and L% for Tests, but just a W% for the other two. You have a Tie and some NRs, so maybe worth considering additional columns for consistency.
    • The source does not include the additional information, so it would sort of be OR (though in reality, it would simply be maths). Irrespective of that, the W% counts a tie as half a win, and disregards NRs, so assuming that a L% in one-day cricket would also count a tie as half, the L% would simply be 100 minus the W%, which I personally think would be redundant. Harrias talk 16:13, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 17:43, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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