Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Surrey Wildlife Trust/archive1

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Surrey Wildlife Trust[edit]

Featured list candidates/Surrey Wildlife Trust/archive1

Nominator(s): Dudley Miles (talk) 10:06, 6 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is the latest in my nominations of wildlife trusts and is in the same format as FLs such as Suffolk and Kent. Dudley Miles (talk) 10:06, 6 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support - excellent work as ever Dudley (I made one tiny tweak) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:11, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks Chris. Dudley Miles (talk) 22:44, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 17:43, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

"8,000 hectares " convert. (Source says "more than 7000" anyway).

Updated figure and added convert. Dudley Miles (talk) 14:10, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"In 2017 it had " shouldn't that come before the previous sentence?

Changed to "As of 2018" to reflect updated figures Dudley Miles (talk) 14:10, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"over 100" -> "more than 100"

Done. Dudley Miles (talk) 14:10, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"an income of £5.5 million and expenditure of £5 million" source says income=5.4m, exp=5.3m.

Updated for 2018 figures. Dudley Miles (talk) 14:10, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like it's worth checking all these claims against current sources.

The discrepancies are because the SWT was showing 2017 figures when I cited but has since updated with a lower area and 2018 income and expenditure. Unfortunately, archiving did not work on this site. Dudley Miles (talk) 14:10, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 8 doesn't provide data on the population of Surrey.

The source provides a link to a pdf with the figure. I linked to the parent because linking direct to the pdf child does not work. However, I see that I rounded down in error from 1.19 million to 1.1 and I have corrected this. Dudley Miles (talk) 14:10, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'll read the notes in due course. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:11, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comments and apologies for the delaying in replying The Rambling Man. I don't know how I managed to miss them. Dudley Miles (talk) 14:10, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
No worries. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:33, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comments on the notes

What's an "alder swamp"?

Linked alder. Dudley Miles (talk) 21:45, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

" Surrey Hills Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty." is a sea of blue.

Changed to a link to Surrey Hills AONB - although it is a pity to lose the link to the designation. Dudley Miles (talk) 21:45, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I imagine if you link oak and birch you should link conifer.
Done. Dudley Miles (talk) 21:45, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"include many rare and scarce species" but you don't mention any of them?
Done. Dudley Miles (talk) 21:45, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"The site is also very important for invertebrates, with sixty-four rare or scarce species" feels like you're repeating a bit of this...

I think it is worth mentioning the invertebrates specifically and I have added examples. Dudley Miles (talk) 21:45, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The areas in the list appear to be rounded to the nearest whole hectare, I should note that, as your current note says they're taken from the Wildlife Trust website, but not directly.

The note says that they are taken from the SWT website (directly) unless otherwise stated. This is because the SWT does not give a figure for Crooksbury Hill so I have used the Woodland Trust figure. SWT figures are given in whole numbers of hectares.

You link fox but not bat, why is this?
Done. Dudley Miles (talk) 21:45, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Consider linking deer park to Deer park (England).
Done. Dudley Miles (talk) 21:45, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You link oak, consider linking hazel.
Done. Dudley Miles (talk) 21:45, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
" site is also good for " reads a little odd to me.

Changed to "has a rich variety of". Dudley Miles (talk) 21:45, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What's "green hay"?

In the context it means cut grass and other plant matter and I have revised. Dudley Miles (talk) 21:45, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"the major storms of 1987 and 1990" I suspect both of these have articles... (Great Storm of 1987 and Burns' Day Storm??)

Linked. Dudley Miles (talk) 21:45, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"by Mrs Underdown in memory of her husband in 1987" cool but we don't know who Mrs Underdown is, so is her name relevant, or (as I've seen) it would be common to say something like "by a Mrs Underdown"...

I prefer to keep this. It explains the name of the site and "a Mrs Underdown" sounds to me rather dismissive. Dudley Miles (talk) 21:45, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 19:33, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again for your thorough review. Dudley Miles (talk) 21:45, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support my concerns addressed, or not worth quibbling over. Nice work Dudley, once again. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:43, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Could you explain the sentence "In 2002 it took over Surrey County Council's large countryside estate"? Does that mean the Council used to manage an unknown number of the the nature reserves but now the trust does? The singular estate isn't clear to me.

I take it to mean that the Trust took over management of the council's parks and nature reserves, but I am reluctant to change the Trust's wording here in case I get it wrong. Do you have a suggestion?

I read the source and still don't quite know what they mean. Perhaps it's the difference in American and British English, but I don't read "large countryside estate" as several scattered parks and reserves. Perhaps there's a contemporary source that can clarify. Reywas92^Talk 16:23, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I see I missed this comment. I have limited access forthe next two weeks while I am on holiday but I will check when I get back. Dudley Miles (talk) 22:50, 15 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

All the other designations in the second paragraph are common nouns and shouldn't be capitalized, e.g. National nature reserve (United Kingdom) and Local nature reserve

See my reply in Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Local Nature Reserves in East Sussex/archive1. Dudley Miles (talk) 12:33, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The same citation doesn't need to be duplicated for both the site name and description

I think it is better as in some cases such as Chobham Common the description is from a different source. Dudley Miles (talk) 12:33, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

None of the SU##### or TQ#### links in the location column are working for me, they need to be updated to whatever they are

I have raised a query with the editor who maintains grid references, and will update or delete if it is not just a temporary bug. Dudley Miles (talk) 12:33, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Bay Pond: What makes this educational? And they're all run by the Trust since they're listed here so that's unnecessary to state.

This is one of the sites which are not open to the public and are run by Trusts to provide educational facilities for schools. SWT does not specifically mention schools, but it does mention an outdoor classroom so I have added this. Dudley Miles (talk) 12:33, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Bisley: "There are mammals such as roe deer and invertebrates include..." needs a comma between the independent clauses. Barossa, Fir Tree Copse, and a few others need this too
Brentmoor doesn't need a comma after adders

I have never been clear about the rules about commas, but I have changed as you suggest. Dudley Miles (talk) 12:33, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Looks pretty good Reywas92^Talk 06:41, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks for your comments Reywas92. Dudley Miles (talk) 12:33, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support – Looks great :-) – zmbro _(talk) 03:26, 15 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Source review passed; promoting. --Pres N 09:35, 18 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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