Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/The Kills discography

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The list was promoted by User:Matthewedwards 06:24, 4 January 2009 [1].

The Kills discography[edit]

previous FLC (06:55, 14 August 2008)

I believe I have addressed the main concerns with the list from the last FLC. I haven't submitted anything to FLC for quite some time, so please let me know if there's anything new or different I haven't done. Thanks. Drewcifer (talk) 00:40, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Does "Meds" feature The Kills, or just Mosshart? I've seen both being used, and clarification is needed as it's a point of comprehensiveness. Sceptre ^(talk) 01:43, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

From the looks of things, it's just VV (the vocalist for the kills) who contributed to the song. So it's not part of the groups' body of work. Drewcifer (talk) 02:17, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support

Just a few comments...

ChartStats.com doesn't support the claim that Midnight Boom reached number one on the UK Indie Chart

Fixed. Think someone snuck that in while I was on Wikibreak. Drewcifer (talk) 10:01, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe include formats and catalog numbers?

Never been a fan of including formats, but I'll see about catalog numbers. Drewcifer (talk) 22:35, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ended up adding both anyways. Drewcifer (talk) 22:39, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Title → Album details FIXED
Video → Video albums

I'm not sure about that, since it's not an album at all, it's a documentary... Drewcifer (talk) 22:35, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm...maybe title it that then? -- Underneath-it-All (talk) 02:38, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ended up removing the section based on some suggestions made below. Drewcifer (talk) 10:01, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The link to the studio albums section doesn't work in the infobox FIXED

-- Underneath-it-All (talk) 03:15, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

The comments from User:Underneath need to be resolved
The Kills debuted in 2002 with the Black Rooster EP, released on Domino Records. wouldn't it be by and not on?

Either is correct, though I do prefer "on", since I would usually reserve "by" for speaking about the artist. Drewcifer (talk) 22:35, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Included with a limited number of copies of No Wow was a feature-length tour documentary titled I Hate the Way You Love, directed by The Kills and Morgan Lebus. - comma before was

Read it again, I don't think a comma is needed (or grammatically correct) there. Drewcifer (talk) 22:35, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Are the references in the music videos section, located on the name of the song/video also citing the directors? If so, it would be best to move them to the directors.

They cover both the directors and the couple of notes, so putting it with the directors might imply the don't cover the notes. But I could go either way on this one. Drewcifer (talk) 22:35, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The EPs need verification by a source. So does the Video section.

Both sections are covered by the general source(s). They are no different than the album/singles sections. Drewcifer (talk) 22:35, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Since a source is verifying one of the songs in the other compilations section, where is the source for the compilation in 2005?

One of the general sources covers it ([2], at the bottom).

The note should go in a footnotes section and the templates {{note}} and {{ref}} should be used instead of the current format.--S R X 16:08, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm, this might be something new that's happened since my wikibreak. I'll see what I can do. Drewcifer (talk) 22:35, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The lead should have more summaries of the list itself, not only their albums, but their music videos, singles, compilations, etc.--S R X 02:42, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Comments by Udonknome (talk)

In the lead:

"The Kills have released three full-length studio albums, three extended plays, nine singles, ten music videos, a documentary…" – I don't think documentaries should be part of a discography. Also, you might want to make sure the terminology is consistent, as I Hate the Way You Love is referred to as a documentary in the lead, but then as a video in the body of the list.

Good call, took the section out completely, and just made a mention of it in the Studio albums section. Drewcifer (talk) 10:01, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

~~"The Kills have released three full-length studio albums" – Is "full-length" necessary?~~ FIXED
~~"Between three studio albums, The Kills have release nine singles…" – Remove this, as it is a repetition from what is said in the first sentence.~~

Reworded to avoid being repetitive.

"Included with a limited number of copies of No Wow was a feature-length tour documentary titled I Hate the Way You Love". – This sentence may not need a comma, but it surely could be worded better. Rather than having the verb at the beginning and the subject at the end, try to put them together: 'A feature-length tour documentary titled I Hate the Way You Love was included with a limited number of copies of No Wow.' FIXED

For peak chart positions:

~~Insert a line break <br /> between each chart abbreviation and its reference link. For example, !style="width:3em;font-size:75%"|[[Top Heatseekers|US<br />Heat.]]<br /><ref name="AMG charts" />~~ FIXED
~~Wikilink UK to UK Albums Chart.~~ FIXED
~~"US Ind." --> "US Indie" and "UK Indie Chart" --> "UK Indie"~~

I prefer to abreviate, since the other column headers are typically abbreviated as well. Drewcifer (talk) 10:01, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

~~The Chart position for the UK Indie Chart is not referenced.~~

I got rid of that column altogether, I think someone else added that one and I didn't notice it wasn't backed up by any source. Drewcifer (talk) 10:01, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

For the albums:

~~Rename the 'Albums' section to 'Studio albums'. Extended plays are albums too. This is also consistent with the Infobox.~~ FIXED
For studio albums, add catalog numbers and format releases. Most FL discographies have this, and it is recommended at MOS:DISCOG. Same for the extended plays, if such is possible. An easy way to find this information is through the album entries at Allmusic. For example, Keep on Your Mean Side was released as a CD and LP while the main catalog number is 124. FIXED
Verify all music label entries are correct and complete. According to the link above, Keep on Your Mean Side was released on Rough Trade Records, Sanctuary Records and Domino Records. Similar issues with No Wow, Black Rooster EP and Fried My Little Brains.

The thing with multiple labels is that it can all get a little convoluted with re-releases, co-releases, multiple releases in different territories, etc. So, it's always been my approach to boil it down to the original domestic release, in the case of the ones you mentioned, is Domino records.

According to the cover art, the EP is named Fried My Little Brains rather than Fried My Little Brains EP FIXED

For the music videos section:

~~Change the heading Song to Title. Remember, these are not songs, but rather they are music videos.~~ FIXED
~~For the videos "The Good Ones" and "U.R.A. Fever", use the following references: [3] and [4]. The current references does not indicate the directors.~~ FIXED
~~"Fashion Rocks! 2005 - Prada" seems to be title of the video directed by United Visual Artists, rather than "No Wow".~~

Good catch. Upon further research, my understanding is that it's more of a video showcasing Prada, featuring the Kills, set to "No Wow." Which means it technically isn't really a music video at all, more like an commercial. So I removed it from the table. Drewcifer (talk) 10:23, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

For the videos "Cheap and Cheerful" and "Last Day of Magic", could you explain why is Promo News a reliable source? (Just for clarification)
~~In regards to the note on "Kissy Kissy", was it the song or the music video to be "taken from I Hate the Way You Love"? You might want to specify this.~~ FIXED
Since there are really only two notes in the whole table, you can just move them to the footnotes section. I'd also recommend the use of {{Ref label}} and {{Note label}} rather than {{Ref}} and {{Note}}, as the latter ones can be cause a bit of mess when used in tables.

Could you rename the section "Original contributions to compilations" to simply "Collaborations"? Or otherwise, could you explain why it is important to mention that two songs were recorded were on compilations or tribute albums?

I think that "Collaborations" implies that there was some sort of creative dialogue between people, rather than The Kills doing their own thing and putting it on a compilation album. I'm not sure if I follow your second question, but if I understand the question correctly, my answer would be that it is important to mention it since it is music from the group that was released only on those records, so it therefore is part of the body of work/discography.

*Avoid using Amazon.com as a reference or store retails in general. Replace it with this link for "Restaurant Blouse". Ditto for "I Call It Art (Le Chanson de Slogan)"

Fixed the first, but not the second one, since that one's covered by the general reference.

~~"Love is a Deserter" --> "Love Is a Deserter". As well, "I Call it Art" --> "I Call It Art (Le Chanson de Slogan)"\~~

The French title is what the song is a cover of, but not part of the Kills' song's title.

~~Until these issue are solved or addressed, I'll have to oppose the promotion of this to FL.~~ Do U(knome)? ^yes..._{or no} 22:16, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the thorough review. I fixed a bunch of the issues your pointed out, but a couple of them I boil down to preference, so I suppose where my preference differed from yours I left it as is. But I'm obviously willing to discuss those particular instances if you completely disagree. I'm still working on a few of them, which I should be finished with shortly. Drewcifer (talk) 10:01, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support Sorry for not replying for a while. You've addressed my main concerns and the article seems just fine to me. Good job and good luck! Do U(knome)? ^yes..._{or no} 08:22, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks so much for your support, but most importantly the thorough review. Drewcifer (talk) 09:28, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in the bot processing the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{FLC}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 06:30, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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