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The list was promoted by User:Scorpion0422 16:30, 18 November 2008 [1].

The O.C. (season 4)[edit]

I am listing this, as the last in the seasons set. It has completed it's recent peer review and I believe it meets the criteria. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 17:27, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose
Resolved comments from Gary King (talk) 04:58, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm opposing for now, considering the issues listed below are only from the lead; I haven't checked the rest of the article yet.

  • "In an attempt at a new time-slot " – Why would it be an attempt if they actually did it? Should be something more like they "tested a new time slot".  Done
  • "anymore" – "any more"; any more than what? please specify, even if implied
    •  On hold Matthew brought this at PR too. I originally had "anymore" but the automated peer review suggested that "any more" was BrE and "anymore" was the AmE version. I am not american so don't know, but would like further clarification and will go with consensus.
      • I think that PR suggestion is for a different use of "any more". It's for something like "He didn't go to the store anymore", not "he didn't get any more than he needed", which must be two separate words. Gary King (talk) 23:43, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "returned to Thursdays" – "returned to Thursday" – there is a "... of every week" that is implied here, that's why  Done
  • ""core four" characters" – which four?  Done
  • "however executive" – "however, executive"  Done
  • "five disc" – "five-disc"  Done
  • "The season was also made available to purchase" – "The season was also available"  Done
  • "on the US Xbox Live Marketplace and the US iTunes Store for registered users" – "in the American versions of the Xbox Live Marketplace and the iTunes Store" – or something to that effect  Done
  • "premiered anywhere on television" – "premiered on television"  Done
  • "In the US" – "In the US,"  Done
  • "available from October 26, 2006 at 3:01 a.m. ET" – "available from October 26, 2006 at 3:01 a.m. ET onwards" – or something like that  Done
  • "In Canada the" – "In Canada, the"  Done
  • "on terrestrial" – "on the terrestrial"  Done
  • "CTV Television Network, CTV Broadband Network" – "CTV Television Network, CTV"
    • Comment, sentence restructured per point below so this no longer exists. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 18:27, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "allowed the episode to be streamed from 12:00 p.m. ET on October 30, 2006" – confusing. So, CTV allowed Warner to stream it? And, stream it where? On CTV's website? I thought Warner owned the program?"
    •  Done Hopefully clarified. Warner allowed CTV to stream it on the CTV Broadband Network.
  • "8:30 p.m. (local time)." – there's no three letter timezone code to use here? It should be obvious which timezone this is in without clicking on the link.
    •  On hold The point is that there are three timezone codes to list here - AWST, ACST, and AEST. Programs do actually air in local time so if you lived in Perth it would be 8:30 p.m. AWST, whereas for someone who lived in Sydney it would have been shown at 8:30 p.m. AEST. I used local time as it seemed more appropriate than mentioning all three timezones. Please let me know if you disagree. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 18:27, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above issues are only examples from the lead; the rest of the article should be double-checked for similar issues. Gary King (talk) 19:04, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Diff Thanks for the review. I believe I have addressed all your comments. I will try and triple check for mistakes, but I seem to be exceptionally spotting them, as having written it, I just read what I think should be there. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 18:27, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "With Lost about to go enter a three-month hiatus it was hoped that a move for The O.C." – "go enter": "enter"; "was hoped" – change to active voice; who is hoping?  Done
  • "season; however the " – "season. However, the "
    •  On hold I have been told in the past that "season. However, the" was wrong. See the second comment here. I don't know which version is correct, but am just providing reasoning for my choice. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 09:18, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "it's" – "its"  Done
  • "the Xbox Live Marketplace and iTunes Store for registered users." – does "registered users" need to be specified? Does either store sell items to non-registered users?  Done
  • "The fourth season was also broadcast outside of the United States." – I think I brought this up before, but I don't think this needs to be said. The paragraph can start with "In Canada" and people will realize that it's broadcast outside the US. The reader doesn't assume one way or the other that the show does or does not broadcast outside the US up to this point.  Done
  • "the episode could be streamed " – "the episode was streamed "
    • ✗ Not done. I disagree with this one, was streamed seems to imply that people streamed the episode from 3:01 onwards. I don't know if people actually streamed the episode at that time. Unlike being broadcast on television it wasn't definately done at specific times, hence the "could be". Is that reasonable? Rambo's Revenge (talk) 09:18, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "the season premiered January" – "the season premiered on January"  Done
  • "was first broadcast" – first? so it broadcast on other networks after? Perhaps say at the end of the sentence "and it broadcast on other networks aftewards" or something.  Done

Gary King (talk) 18:44, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have now addressed these points. Thanks for looking over this. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 09:18, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Article still needs work.

  • "Other cast members returning in recurring roles included" – "Other cast members that returned in recurring roles include" – watch out for "-ing" nouns masquerading as verbs  Done
  • "Actors leaving the cast included" – "Actors who left the cast include"  Done
  • "New members joining the cast included" – "New members who joined the cast include"  Done
  • There are more like these.

Gary King (talk) 16:36, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for doing a bit of copyediting, I have addressed the above issues and added a ref for the regular directors you marked as {{fact}}. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 16:52, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The article still needs a lot of work. For example:

  • "The fourth season of The O.C. commenced airing in the United States on November 2, 2006 in the United States, concluded on February 22, 2007, and consisted of sixteen episodes." – "The fourth season of The O.C. aired in the United States from November 2, 2006 to February 22, 2007 and consisted of sixteen episodes."
 Question: I don't understand how the current version is incorrect. This is also seems to be a standard opening in season FLs (e.g. The other seasons of The O.C. use it as does all Lost and Degrassi seasons). Rambo's Revenge (talk) 18:31, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
My version has the same information but it's more concise. Gary King (talk) 18:36, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
 Done, Rambo's Revenge (talk) 18:46, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gary King (talk) 18:03, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:46, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - please delink the mass use of wikilinks in references. Used once and only once is usually best.Mitch32(UP) 18:13, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Done. I have delinked a lot of these but I'm not sure that references fall under overlinking. I have never seen this requested and notice that of the present four most recently promoted FL's [2][3][4] suffer from what you'd call overlinking in refs, whereas this has no linking in the refs at all. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 18:54, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Change "In America" to "In the United States" in the Notes section.  Done
  • I have to disagree with Mitch32 above. Most refs sections I've seen are masses of blue, and that's okay.
  • I Support this candidate. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 20:35, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "This was the first season without one of the "core four" characters of Ryan Atwood, Seth Cohen, Rachel Bilson, and Marissa Cooper;[4] however, executive producer Stephanie Savage said that Marissa's death "set up a new direction for the show".[5]" ← I understand you're trying to be concise here, but I had to read it twice to glean what was going on. Perhaps you could be a little clearer?  Done
  • You don't need to link to The O.C. in the second paragraph of the lead; I think "the show's creator..." would suffice.  Done
  • "that maybe wasn't as evident last year" ← could "last year" link to the article on season 3?  Done
  • "Former main cast member Mischa Barton did not return because her character, Marissa, died in the third season finale" ← I don't much like how straightforward this is.
    •  On hold, I don't understand. Relative to the season 4 article it is that straight forward. Details of her death should be explained in the third season finale article not here, in a season in which she does not feature and a season of which her death is not part of. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 17:37, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "This increase was mostly due to 6.7 viewers, 76 percent more than the season average, tuning in to see the final ever installment of The O.C.[30]" ← 6.7 million?  Done

Hope these help. Seegoon (talk) 00:18, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Seegoon (talk) 17:31, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comments, Rambo's Revenge (talk) 17:37, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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