Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Wolfmother discography/archive3

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The list was promoted by Pres N 20:38, 5 September 2015 (UTC) [1].[reply]

Wolfmother discography

Nominator(s): Shaidar cuebiyar & Dan arndt (talk) 04:05, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list as it was previously nominated in September 2008 (FLC #1) however not all issues were addressed it was subsquently renominated later that month (FLC #2) but failed as some additional issues were not addressed. Shaidar cuebiyar and I have since gone through and made extensive revisions & updates to address all previous outstanding issues and bring it up to FL standards. We have also had a review undertaken by the Guild of Copy Editors. We believe that the article now satisifies all the FL criteria and should be re-considered for promotion. Dan arndt (talk) 04:05, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Littlecarmen (talk) 13:33, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Littlecarmen

Include the music videos they've released in the second sentence.
- Doneshaidar cuebiyar (talk) 21:59, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  - Oops, I meant the first sentence, sorry. They already were in the second sentence. Littlecarmen (talk) 10:44, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    - Comment: @Littlecarmen: Do you mean take it out of the second sentence and add it to the first sentence or leave it in the second sentence and include it in the first sentence. Dan arndt (talk) 04:33, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      - Done Removed music videos from second sentence and placed them into first sentence.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 07:08, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
the band signed with Modular Recordings and in September 2004 released an extended play (EP) Add commas before and after "in September 2004". You can just say EP since you clarified what that is in the first sentence.
- Done
Whenever you say "In [month year]", add a comma after.
- Done
, which reached number eight On what chart?
- Done
You capitalized ARIA Singles Chart in the first paragraph. Do the same in the second. Littlecarmen (talk) 10:44, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Done Dan arndt (talk) 04:03, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
five times platinum This doesn't sound right. Maybe change it to "quintuple"?
- Doneshaidar cuebiyar (talk) 21:59, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The band's second album, Cosmic Egg, was released in October 2009. -> "October of that year"
- Done
You forgot a "that". Littlecarmen (talk) 10:44, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Done (I think...) Dan arndt (talk) 04:03, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
, released before the album, Unnecessary
- Done
Cosmic Egg‍ 's lead single, was "New Moon Rising". Remove the comma. Littlecarmen (talk) 10:44, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Done Dan arndt (talk) 04:03, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
the track "Back Round" was only included on the deluxe editions. This isn't important.
- Done
The album also peaked at No. 3[3] it received a platinum accreditation from ARIA. You're missing an and. You can also remove the "it".
- Done
, an iTunes-exclusive live EP,[19] featuring songs recorded at a free show the band performed at a Sydney Apple Store the previous month. Cut this down, it's not that important.
- Done Trimmed it down.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 21:59, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  - Trim it down more. Maybe say that they changed their line-up a few times and mention which line-up recorded the album. Littlecarmen (talk) 10:44, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    - "¿Qué?": does this comment relate to iTunes-exclusive live EP above, or does it belong to the next point about trimming the last ¶?shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 07:19, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      - It belongs to the next point. Someone edited the comments. Littlecarmen (talk) 08:41, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Trim the last paragraph. Most of it isn't important for their discography and remove the last sentence completely.
- Done
  - I've assumed the further trimming comment applies here. I've trimmed the final ¶ of some of the line-up changes.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 07:30, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Add the country the release dates are for.
- Done shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 21:59, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Make the "(AUS)" in the video albums section small as well. Littlecarmen (talk) 10:44, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Done Dan arndt (talk) 04:03, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
DL -> Digital download Done
- This wasn't done. Littlecarmen (talk) 10:44, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment: @Littlecarmen: I did however it was reverted (see previous revision) on the basis that Digital download has been disambiguated to Music download. Need clarification as what is correct. Dan arndt (talk) 04:03, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    - Change it to Digital download. Littlecarmen (talk) 08:41, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      - Done Dan arndt (talk) 10:27, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        You can remove the link in the extended play section since it's already linked in the studio albums section. Littlecarmen (talk) 12:46, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        Done Dan arndt (talk) 13:14, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Extend the columns so all titles fit in one line and keep all title columns the same width, if possible.
- Doneshaidar cuebiyar (talk) 13:44, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  - Not done, they're not the same width. Littlecarmen (talk) 10:44, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    - Good spotting: I thought I got all the little tackers.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 07:21, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      - Still not done. Littlecarmen (talk) 08:41, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        As far as I can see all Title columns end with the wikicode: style="width:18em;"| Title
        
        Tables with multiple columns, e.g. Studio Albums and Singles, compress the Title column. I don't see how this can be redressed. I've checked recent FL discographies and see no consistency in their Title column displays. Can you provide a hint for this?shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 11:49, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        I think I've fixed it now. Littlecarmen (talk) 12:46, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Remove the references column in the "other appearances" section and just add the references in the album column.
- Done
Reformat the directors column in the music video section. It looks messy this way. Either keep it all in one line or give each director their own line.
- Done
  - Also not done. Littlecarmen (talk) 10:44, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    - Done now, hopefully this is what you meant. Dan arndt (talk) 04:03, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      - Why did you choose to list the individual directors' names if they work under a moniker? Their moniker is how they want to be credited so I think you should change it to that. Littlecarmen (talk) 08:41, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        Done Dan arndt (talk) 10:27, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
iTunes -> iTunes Store. You also don't need to have iTunes installed to view the website.
- Done
  - Not done. Littlecarmen (talk) 10:44, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    - I think I've done them now.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 08:26, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Only link publications the first time you use them. You do this correctly sometimes, but not always.
- I think I've Done these.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 21:59, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  - Not done. Littlecarmen (talk) 10:44, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    - Done Dan arndt (talk) 04:33, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      - Still not done. Littlecarmen (talk) 08:41, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        Done I think I nailed it this time. Dan arndt (talk) 10:27, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        NME is linked twice. In ref #13 and 66. The publisher is also missing in ref #66. Littlecarmen (talk) 12:46, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        Done thanks for the pick-up. Dan arndt (talk) 13:14, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
IMDb is not a reliable source.
- Done Dan arndt (talk) 04:03, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Sometimes you mention a publication's publisher, sometimes not. Be consistent.
- I think I've Done these.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 21:59, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  - Not done. Littlecarmen (talk) 10:44, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    - Done - hopefully I haven't missed any.. Dan arndt (talk) 04:33, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      - ref #75: "Blabbermouth.net (Roadrunner Records)", ref #80: "Blabber mouth.net. Roadrunner Records." Be consistent.
        Done Dan arndt (talk) 10:27, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The Wolfmother category should be last. Littlecarmen (talk) 15:35, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Done Dan arndt (talk) 04:03, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Only magazines and newspapers should be italicized. Littlecarmen (talk) 08:41, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- I hope I've got them.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 11:25, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
ref #88: Link DIY. Littlecarmen (talk) 12:46, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Done Dan arndt (talk) 13:14, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Azealia911 _talk 13:54, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Azealia911

Organize formats based on how often they appear. EG: in Studio albums, CD is listed in all three albums, yet in the third listing it comes second. It's also alphabetically incorrect the way it is.

Comment: New Crown was intially released as a DL in March 2014 and then as a physical release in August 2014, which is why the order is as listed. I can provide a note to clarify if required.

The Studio albums table doesn't look too compressed as it is, I think an eleventh column for US Rock can be afforded, which would remove the need for the note.

Comment: WP:DISCOGSTYLE states "A limit of approximately 10 separate charts is suggested". All the FL for discographies limit to 10 charts so was just being consistent. The albums actually charted in at least sixteeen countries, so we have already cut it down substantially.

No sales information on any of the Studio albums?

Comment: sales certification provides indication of the number of units sold

Not sure about you, but I don't know what certification indicates what amount of sales, it varies through each country.

Done: I've added a 'sales threshold' link.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 13:44, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Use chart provider abbreviations for certifications, as opposed to the current country abbreviations.

Comment: - The certifications aren't provided by the chart provider but by the Industry Association - which is the link that has been provided.

Sorry, I phrased it wrong, I meant change the word to the industry abbreviation EG. AUS: 5x Platinum → ARIA: 5x Platinum and so on.

Doneshaidar cuebiyar (talk) 13:44, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Release date references need to be added to the Studio albums table, like it is for Extended plays table. Done
A country abbreviation needs to be added after every release date in Studio albums and Extended plays, EG, Wolfmothers release date is listed as 31 October 2005, so (US) (or wherever applicable) would need to be added. Done
None of the Singles have references to prove they are singles. – Big no no. I currently have a FLC open (feel free to leave comments) and a delegate asked me why none of the singles were referenced. I explained that they all had independent articles (like the ones here) but was accused of relying on Wikipedia. I strongly advise you source all of the singles. Done
It's generally advised against listing pre-released album material that's featured on soundtracks, like "Love Train", "Joker & the Thief" and any other applicable listings in the Other appearances section.

Nudge

Doneshaidar cuebiyar (talk) 13:50, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Some tables feature a Ref. column, while others don't, EG Other appearances does, but Music videos doesn't. Personally, I'd swap the two.

Comment: previously addressed in Littlecarmen's comments - have removed the reference column altogther as it looks untidy.

That's it for now. Azealia911 _talk 02:54, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

With my comments addressed, I can Support this. I'd appreciate any comments you could give at my FLC. Azealia911 _talk 13:54, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support on prose and comprehensiveness, I don't see that the list is missing somenthing essential that prevents it from gaining FA status.--Retrohead (talk) 11:48, 20 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Frankie _talk 11:06, 26 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from FrB.TG

Remove references from the lead that are already covered in the other sections (other than introduction) as WP:LEADCITE advises "Because the lead will usually repeat information that is in the body, editors should balance the desire to avoid redundant citations in the lead with the desire to aid readers in locating sources for challengeable material".
Done –shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 04:27, 21 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
~~"The album also peaked at No. 3[3] and received a platinum accreditation from ARIA" – "No. 3" is not encyclopedic.~~
Done Dan arndt (talk) 03:27, 21 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
~~"released; despite little promotion it charted at No. 160 on the Billboard 200" – again, "No. 160" is not encyclopedic.~~
Done Dan arndt (talk) 03:27, 21 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

~~Would appreciated your comments here, if you find some time. -- Frankie _talk 14:46, 20 August 2015 (UTC)~~[reply]

Why would info like "Wolf mother's next single, "Back Round", was released as a free download in March 2009" and "The band's second album, Cosmic Egg, was released in October of that year" need so many sources; one should suffice.
- Done –shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 12:32, 23 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
~~References are still repeated in the lead, such as ref 20 is in the lead and also seen in the Studio albums section. -- Frankie _talk 08:41, 21 August 2015 (UTC)~~[reply]
- Done –shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 12:32, 23 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support — Frankie _talk 11:06, 26 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 19:50, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments - looks good.

Infobox has 3 "other appearances" yet 4 are listed.
"ARIA Albums Chart[3] and" never keen on these mid-sentence citations, I would be perfectly content to see this at the end of the sentence, after the full stop.
"Wolfmother reformed..." citation?
Check for WP:DASH violations, e.g. " "Archived Australian Releases - October 2009" in the ref titles.

Otherwise good to go. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:48, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment @The Rambling Man: all the above issues have now been addressed. Dan arndt (talk) 08:03, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support sorry for taking so long to get back to you. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:50, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Closing this nomination as Promoted, congratulations! Remember that reviewing other nominations means that the FLC queue will move faster for your future nominations, and consider nominating this list at Wikipedia:Today's featured list/submissions. --Pres N 20:37, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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