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The list was kept by Giants2008 via FACBot (talk) 00:28, 15 June 2020 (UTC) [1].[reply]

List of Major League Baseball single-game home run leaders[edit]

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The list has numerous issues: (1) multiple sources are dead; (2) multiple sections of the lead lack inline citations; (3) the prose is choppy and written poorly, as it is just a list of random facts about four-home run games. I also feel like the scope of this article, as titled, isn't comprehensive. In reality this is a List of Major League Baseball four-home run games, which would be a better title that accurately captures the scope of this list. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 20:26, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • I'm happy to take a look at salvaging this one...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:52, 27 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Gonzo_fan2007
Resolved comments from « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 19:40, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
**ChrisTheDude what is your opinion on the name? In my opinion, it's like calling the List of Major League Baseball perfect games article List of Major League Baseball single-game pitching leaders. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 16:29, 27 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • I guess it's to be consistent with List of Major League Baseball single-inning home run leaders, which isn't called List of Major League Baseball two-home run innings even though all the players listed hit precisely two homers in the inning in question. Bloom6132, any views on the names? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:37, 27 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
        • It does beg the question, what would happen to these lists if someone hit 5 hrs in a game or 3 hrs in an inning?? « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 23:16, 27 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
        • My apologies ChrisTheDude, for some reason I never got an alert notifying me that I had been pinged and only stumbled upon this through a cursory scroll. The naming convention stems from a discussion (maybe RFC) a couple of years ago – I'll try to find it. —Bloom6132 (talk) 02:00, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
        • Found it – it was a brief discussion between a few WikiProject members, based off this earlier poll from August 2015. —Bloom6132 (talk) 02:08, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
          • Bloom6132, thanks for the background discussion. I still think that the questions of what this list would look like if a player hits 5 HRs in one game (something that is very possible in this era). Would this list just be one entry? Would you keep the 4 HR games as well, and if so, that would beg the question why we don't include 3 HR games in the list right now. It's all hypothetical at this point, but still I think there is a point to be made in thinking it through. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:13, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I replaced the only ref which had a dead link tag against it - are there are any others with issues? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:33, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
ChrisTheDude I don't know. I would check everything that comes up here though. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 16:31, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Refs are still a mess. Refs need to be consistent with use of fields (work, website, publisher, etc. are they all linked? Are they .com (CBSSports.com vs CBC Sports) or not? etc). Ref 39 and 40 have "Sports Reference LLC" while the other baseballreference.com cites don't.
  • Ideally, the refs should all be archived to prevent link rot.
  • Ref 10 and 11 aren't done correctly. They should reference the source, ideally using {{Sfn}} or something similar. If you are unfamiliar with {{Sfn}} Packers sweep uses it. The use of "General" reference sections is somewhat outdated. If there is one source that provides the entire table, then inline cite that somewhere in the table. You could add the inline cite after "Stats updated as of 2019 season."
  • Ref 13 is dead. Ideally, you should check every link to make sure it isn't dead and then update the access-date field with today's date to indicate the most recent time they were accessed.
  • This list is missing post-season games. This goes back to my original comment, that List of Major League Baseball four-home run games would be a more appropriate name for the current state of this article. In it's current state, it fails criteria 3, since it isn't comprehensive (especially since you mention the 3-home run postseason games in the lead). A separate postseason table would satisfy this issue.
    • Currently the 18 players listed here are in an 18-way tie for first place for most HRs hit in a game in MLB history. Why introduce a second table of players who have hit fewer, simply because it happened in post-season play? I don't see the logic. Such players are not "single-game home run leaders".... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:17, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • So, hypothetically, J.D. Martinez has a monster day this season and smashes five HRs in one game, this list would be reduced to just him? Regarding the post-season, statistics and records for post-season are tracked separately by MLB (i.e. if you hit 30 home runs in the regular season, and then 5 home runs in the postseason, those numbers are not combined in your season totals) and are routinely reported on, see [2] [3] [4] for a few examples. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 22:28, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Unless I missed it, there is probably something to be said about hitting 4 hrs in 4 consecutive at-bats.

« Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 20:10, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • I have no strong opinion on whether or not there should be a second table. You guys come to a decision and I will make it/not make it accordingly :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:15, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • ChrisTheDude, although I appreciate Bloom6132 input in the matter, this is my comment about the article and not something I need to collaborate on. I appreciate the background on why these articles are titled the way they are, but it is not something I agree with in regards to this specific article. Again, my point is if this article was called List of Major League Baseball players with four or more home runs in a game, then by all means, don't include postseason games (since there have been no 4 HRs games in the postseason). And then, if someone does hit 5 HRs, it can be easily included.
But, as currently titled, the scope of this article necessitates the inclusion of the postseason record (because postseason single game records are tracked separately by reliable sources). Importantly, the inclusion of the postseason record does not take away from or confuse the article in anyway. If anything, it clarifies and expands on the last sentence of the first paragraph of the lead: No player has ever hit four home runs in a postseason game; that record is three, first accomplished by Babe Ruth in Game 4 of the 1926 World Series. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 21:10, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Gonzo fan2007: "it is not something I agree with in regards to this specific article" – the WikiProject Baseball community came to a consensus on how these baseball lists be formatted, and many of these lists which have been recently promoted to FL are based of this "uniform template/guide". That consensus should be respected, notwithstanding any personal disagreement with it. And one cannot pick and choose which baseball lists to apply this consensus to. A format either applies to all or it applies to none. —Bloom6132 (talk) 05:15, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Bloom6132, to be clear, the discussion you linked to was about general naming convention and included 3 editors. But regardless, you are completely missing the point. I am not arguing for a renaming, I am arguing that if this title is the one everyone agrees to, then the article needs to include the postseason record for most HRs in a game (see my previous comment starting with But, as currently titled...). One of the reasons I am supporting delisting this article is based WP:FLCR #3, as the article lacks comprehensiveness. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:00, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Gonzo fan2007: Well, I think you are the one missing the point by demanding delisting of this FL. "It comprehensively covers the defined scope, providing at least all of the major items and, where practical, a complete set of items" This list does just that – it provides all the major items. It is not required to provide a complete set (though in my judgment as the promoter of 15 baseball-related FLs, it indeed does). As I had detailed above, it is not practical to add the single-game postseason record, because that would open the floodgates to adding the regular-season 3 HR games. Just because you don't like how this list does not include the postseason "record" does not mean it should be delisted. —Bloom6132 (talk) 15:22, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Bloom6132, I sincerely mean this to be taken with no offense, but I didn't ask for your input in my discussion with ChrisTheDude. If you want to start your own heading, provide your input, and vote keep, you are completely welcome to. At this point we are just going in circles. This is a consensus discussion and the FLC director that will close this discussion is perfectly capable of weighing consensus. I have made my point with sufficient reasoning behind it, you disagree, which is fine. Lastly, a word of advice: there is no need to link to essays—especially to regulars who have been editing for a while—to make your point (it really just comes across as patronizing). This is especially true when the essay isn't relevant (WP:IDL is talking about deletion discussions) and the title (WP:IDONTLIKEIT) has a super obvious meaning without linking to the essay (pretty sure everyone knows what "I don't like it" means and that you can probably safely assume that I know why that justification is a bad argument). « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 18:46, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Since when have I been topic banned from any subject? And since when do I need to be invited into a discussion first in order to participate? —Bloom6132 (talk) 19:10, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist per Criterion #3 - Comprehensiveness. ChrisTheDude has done an admirable job and greatly improved the list. However, because MLB and 3rd party reliable sources track postseason single game records separately from the regular season, I strongly believe this list is not fully complete without the addition of the postseason record. This is especially true considering the lead specifically cites the postseason record of 3 HRs. ChrisTheDude, I am happy to switch my vote if this is something you are willing to implement. If so, please feel free to contact me directly to let me know of the change. Considering the rest of my comments have been resolved, I feel comfortable disengaging from this discussion at this time and would appreciate it if all editors would respect that. Thanks again ChrisTheDude for all the improvement you made to the article. Cheers, « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 19:39, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Giants2008
  • Comment – The biggest issue with the list is clearly the lead section. There's no reason that any article should have eight mostly stubby paragraphs in a lead. Bringing the lead in line with how the single-inning leaders list looks would be a major step forward, as much of the current uncited content would likely be removed, and sourcing the rest wouldn't be such a big job. If that's done, I see no reason why FL status couldn't be saved here. Giants2008 (Talk) 20:19, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have revised the lead somewhat, let me know what you think.......... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:18, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Lead looks better ChrisTheDude. More specific comments below above. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 20:10, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • I agree that the lead is much stronger. I won't declare a position in case I have to close the FLRC, but my major concern appears to have been addressed. Giants2008 (Talk) 23:10, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep – improvements made by ChrisTheDude have taken this back to FL level. It is unnecessary to include the postseason single-game record, and doing so alone will not make this list meet criterion #3. The stubborn insistence of including this (detailed in all its glory above) is sadly mistaken and misguided. —Bloom6132 (talk) 20:40, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Changes that have been made have brought the list back up to featured standard. NapHit (talk) 14:18, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Changes above have returned it to FL standard. - Aza24 (talk) 21:35, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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