Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Christ Pantocrator, Church of the Holy Sepulchre, Jerusalem

Christ Pantocrator, Church of the Holy Sepulchre, Jerusalem[edit]

Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes. Voting period ends on 12 Jun 2014 at 22:51:07 (UTC)

Reason: High EV, high quality image, FP on Commons
Articles in which this image appears: Christ Pantocrator, Church of the Holy Sepulchre
FP category for this image: Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Artwork/Others
Creator: Godot13

Support as nominator – Godot13 (talk) 22:51, 2 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Brilliant. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:21, 3 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Great detail. Funny you nominated this image, just a few days ago I took this of the dome of St Paul's Cathedral. Ðiliff «» (Talk) 17:56, 3 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Diliff-Saw this but forgot to leave a comment... outrageous. How many images?-Godot13 (talk) 22:42, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Question Why is the background black? Sven Manguard Wha? 22:12, 4 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi Sven- I was using a 55mm lens and aiming for the Christ Pantocrator image framed in the round. There was not enough outside this intended crop to be useful. Are you referring to the actual color black and not the choice of crop?--Godot13 (talk) 22:25, 4 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  - Oh, the black is because it's a crop. That makes sense then. Sven Manguard Wha? 22:28, 4 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    - I think I'd somewhat prefer to see the area cropped out by the black, even if it was distorted by the perspective fixes. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 06:25, 5 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
      - Adam, this is the image rotated and given the most generous possible crop while centering on the figure of Christ. I didn't load the TIF file as it was nearly 300mb. The image is completely unprocessed in its current state. For illustrating the image (the Christ Pantocrator), I personally prefer the black crop (and it wouldn't create two nearly identical FP), but let me know if I should work this one up...--Godot13 (talk) 01:55, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
        I have to admit that, given the image is going to be square-cropped anyway, I prefer the one you just linked to this one, as the black mainly removes information, and doesn't add anything. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 04:05, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
        I personally prefer the black background, as it keeps the eye's focus on the interior of the dome and (to the human eye, at least) makes the interior seem brighter without actually overexposing. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:56, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
        I'm not willing to oppose over it, but I really don't. It seems an unnatural "construct", as opposed to a natural view. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 06:20, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Yann (talk) 08:22, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Question for Godot13. What are the white spots on the beard of Jesus? I'm guessing that they might be reflections of your camera flash. Please ping me when you reply so I remember to come back here. --Pine^✉ 07:22, 9 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi Pine - It might be reflected light on the mosaic, but not from me, I didn't use a flash (tripod with a nine second exposure).--Godot13 (talk) 14:24, 9 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That light is not optimal but due to the other merits of the photo I will Support. We can do a D&R if we get a better version. --Pine^✉ 06:41, 10 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose — With the closely cropped black background, the image looks to me (IMO) like a decorative plate. Sca (talk) 00:58, 10 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Have you looked at the uncropped version? I think this version is more appealing. --Pine^✉ 06:38, 10 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but I actually would prefer a modified version of a pic like the one at right, with a tighter crop but one which leaves some context of the ceiling — so the viewer can grasp visually what it is he's looking at. Sca (talk) 21:42, 10 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I do rather agree - the current circle crop make the arches and pillars look like flat elements instead of 3D elements seen in perspective. I'd like a crop like this one but taken from Godot's image. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 04:54, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Godot13: is that possible to propose as an alt? --Pine^✉ 07:54, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Seems a large enough file to permit cropping. However, I'm afraid this pic. is not by nominator Godot13. Where's the uncropped version Pine mentions above? Sca (talk) 15:36, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Added Alt 1, Support Alt 1 only, oppose original. The more I look at this, the more I don't like how the arches pushing the dome up look like a mere 2-D pattern around the dome without the context. This isn't a rose window, it's a raised dome, and it looks wrong to show it otherwise. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 00:34, 12 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support Alt. 1 — Thanks, Adam. Sca (talk) 01:41, 12 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'm out of town so I don't have access to any of my raw files right now to make any better changes in the ALT file...--Godot13 (talk) 04:31, 12 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose alt, neutral on original - We can always wait for Godot13 to get back home to his RAW files, but I'm not satisfied with the alt, as the arches aren't even. Sven Manguard Wha? 04:44, 12 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Suggest hold I suggest putting this nomination on hold until Godot can get back to his raw files. --Pine^✉ 03:02, 13 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Right now the circle crop has five supports and two opposes, which is a pass under current FPC rules. I would probably oppose something showing too much of the ceiling as (IMHO) it distracts from the dome and overwhelms it. I'd say this should just be closed. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:39, 13 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I've downloaded the ALT image to my laptop and played around with it. With the close crop required to maintain symmetry, the non blacked-out areas are (IMO) distracting, given the main EV for this image is the Christ Pantocrator article. I would find myself opposing my own image (the ALT).--Godot13 (talk) 04:20, 14 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:ISR-2013-Jerusalem-Holy Sepulchre-dome.jpg --Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 07:51, 14 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Alt 1 can't pass with 4 of the 9 participants expressing a negative opinion from it (1 x oppose, 1 x cropped version is more appealing and 2 x the ceiling is distracting). Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 07:51, 14 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]