Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Jade Barbosa

Jade Barbosa[edit]

Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes. Voting period ends on 6 Jun 2013 at 03:43:02 (UTC)

Reason: High resolution with good EV for both Brazilian artistic gymnast Jade Barbosa and a turn (maneuver) during a floor routine. Visually simple photograph, but eye-catching and interesting angle (relative to most gymnastics photos with crowds behind them). I replaced previous versions of the photograph where she's a bit darker.
Articles in which this image appears: Jade Barbosa
Floor (gymnastics)
Turn (dance and gymnastics)
Glossary of gymnastics terms
Events at the 2007 Pan American Games (newly added)
FP category for this image: Wikipedia:Featured pictures/People/Sport
Creator: Wilson Dias (photographer); Keraunoscopia (derivative)

Support as nominator --– Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 03:43, 28 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose Seems to me the EV is too spread out, if you will. It is OK at portraying Jade Barbosa, but not as well as the current lead image in her article. OK at showing a gymnastics floor, but not great since you do not see the whole thing. Not really good at showing the turn, since it is at the beginning and she is not actually turning. --Wingtipvorte^X PTT ∅ 18:45, 28 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

An excellent analysis. I was thinking about this photograph for some time. Figured I'd throw it out here anyway. Much appreciated for honest feedback! – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 19:12, 28 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You are very welcome

--Wingtipvorte^X PTT ∅ 00:18, 29 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Very weak oppose. I really want more gymnast photos (they are female friendly) and this is a world notable athlete (not some para athlete or the like). It's even better than another one we promoted a year or two ago. That said, doesn't quite meet top rank in terms of composition. The crop, the downward angle. Not quite an action short. On that article, the beam lead looks better. I can pull up galleries from photogs at meets that have many more good looking ones. It's a good thing to have and really advances us...just not quite there yet. I still think we could put a Wiki photog at a major meet like Pac Rim or the like and get a bunch of FPs that way.TCO (talk) 20:13, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In the 30 or so FP sports images, only three of them are female. I grew up in a gymnastics family, so I naturally lean this way. One photographer I work with is one of the better gymnastics photographers, but he refuses point-blank (and I respect his decision 100%) to release images large enough for FP status, but I'd rather have his images on gymnast articles than not at all, so I'm not complaining. I keep my eyes open though. And a female skiier who recently died had an important and excellent photograph of her (visible face, ski gear) but the photographer couldn't appropriate permission from the event people. I won't upload the image under "fair use" because I don't burn bridges :P Anyway, yes, I've been working on trying to get more female FP images, but I'm relatively new here and have only begun on my quest. – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 23:27, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, you won't get the SI photogs to release anything. And I quite get their point. But gym, especially has a lot of Internet following (blogs and such with official press passes). It would not be hard to get training or even competition shots from a minor meet (of world class athletes). We can just use one of our volunteers and get a press pass. Seriously...it is very doable.TCO (talk) 23:33, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not really a size snob (or a license or technical details snob). I see our mission as illustrating THIS project's articles. What I care about is composition and EV. See this gallery for some nice snaps: [1]. Do WE have a gallery like that? :-( TCO (talk) 23:44, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep in mind that our images are free, which probably limits our selection greatly. One photographer just wrote me yesterday on a whim, wondering why Wikipedia can't use non-commercial images. I wish. He wishes, too. But we should be grateful for what we can get. – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 00:10, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It is totally insane and (pardon the expression) Freetard that we don't allow NC images here. There are a huge number of images out there that are NC and we desperately need better illustration. It is a major quality gap. Who cares if Wikia or some other dotcom can't make money off the NC images. And anyhow, any decent book publisher checks images before reprint and we allow limited fair use. But it is so, so, so conservative and ingrained here that no one will listen. It would make their heads explode to even consider it. But what I care about is the reader, reader, reader. And the bird in the hand versus the one in the bush. so making good ARTICLES is way more important to me than trying to have some bank of Free stuff and put Getty out of business. P.s. I assume, you are cool with the chitchat...I don't want to screw over your nomination and will cut or stop any of this if you don't want it.TCO (talk) 00:51, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not Promoted --Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 06:55, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]