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Original – Princess Sikhanyiso Dlamini of Eswatini
Alt 1 - crop
Reason
A really fine image of the royalty of an extremely under-represented country.
Articles in which this image appears
Sikhanyiso Dlamini, Culture of Eswatini, and a gallery usage in Eswatini
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/People/Royalty
Creator
Amada44
Very tight crop
(From French Wiki)


FYI, several other Wikis use a very tightly cropped version with their Sikhanyiso Dlamini articles. It excludes all but the other person's ear, which obviates the ID issue, although aesthetically it's less interesting. →
Sca (talk) 16:04, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
We could just say "another member of the royal family" in the caption. I think that part is clear enough. Searching Getty Images for Temaswati finds images of her in similar costume from 2004, 2005, and 2007, but unfortunately not 2006, and the 2005 image shows several other young women also wearing the red feathers, so I think we can't just assume that this is Temaswati. There is also another photo from 2006, but without names; she is third in the line after the leader of the dance and then Sikhanyiso, suggesting that she probably is indeed Temaswati, but again there are quite a few others with red feathers. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:52, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Please excuse me for saying so, but from a journalistic point of view, saying "another member of" would be laughably tantamount to saying "and someone else, whose name we failed to get." – Sca (talk) 22:17, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It is clear that we do not have documentation for the name. Why do you think it is inappropriate or laughable to say so? Do you think we should try to cover it up or pretend to knowledge that we don't have? Do you think we also need the name of the blurred woman in the left margin or the blurred man on the right? Does our lack of knowledge of these things somehow turn this into a bad photo of Sikhanyiso Dlamini, or of the reed dance? —David Eppstein (talk) 22:48, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

People shown in FPs should be identified. Otherwise readers will be left asking, "Who's this?" - Sca (talk) 01:54, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – There is no need for the other person's name. The composition centers on the princess, the other person is incidental to the composition, especially with the blade in front of her face. The article, the EV and the photo all center on the princess. The Alt 1 crop is too tight, the origonal is better, it shows the princess in a group setting, and doesn't cut off her pole awkwardly on the left. Bammesk (talk) 03:54, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Due to lack of ID for second person in photo. I do so reluctantly, but I can't endorse cavalier disregard for established and logical editorial practice. – Sca (talk) 13:21, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If the ID were found, I'd support. Sca (talk) 14:14, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Armbrust: if this nomination is listed as "on hold" (as it is), what do you mean by claiming that there can be no more supports and by striking the support that was added after it was put on hold? Do you intend that we should continue to keep this on hold until the identity issue is resolved but then go back and count only the opinions that were expressed before it went on hold, even though some of the opinions are explicitly based on the missing information that caused the hold? What is the point of putting a nomination into such a "frozen but will automatically fail once it unfreezes" state? —David Eppstein (talk) 00:47, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not Promoted --Armbrust The Homunculus 17:21, 23 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Good news, I got an answer. Its Temtsimba Dlamini. Cheers, Amada44  talk to me 10:57, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Just as I said :).--TMCk (talk) 11:26, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@TracyMcClark: yes! thank you! I pursued that but I found it really hard to say if its really her because of the age difference and that there are not many pictures of her. Sikhanyiso confirmed it so now we know 100% :) Cheers, Amada44  talk to me 11:43, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You're right although her cute nose is quite unique.--TMCk (talk) 11:55, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Fantastic work! We need more Eswatini images at FP, so I'm going to have to dig through your photography, Amada. Unless you'd rather? Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 6.9% of all FPs 16:31, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]