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Alpine ibex[edit]

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I've listed this article for peer review because I want to prepare it for FAC

Thanks, LittleJerry (talk) 15:26, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Jens[edit]

Some comments below:

The grammar errors are too numerous to list here. Did you do a copy edit, ideally with some grammar checker?
Both Capra and Ovis (sheep) descended from a goral-like animal from the Miocene and early Pliocene, whose fossils are found in Kenya, China, and Slovenia – when fossils are known, what is the name of the animal? In general, the fossil history in the article appears to be weak and could do with more work.

Removed. LittleJerry (talk) 21:22, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

rubbery ball of the foot – "ball" is a human term, not sure what you mean here.

Changed.

backwards-curving horns with numerous horizontal ridges – "horizontal" means "parallel to the plane of the horizon", which is not the right word here I think.

Changed. LittleJerry (talk) 21:22, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The species has a particularly high adult survival rate compared to other herbivores around its size – can we have numbers?

Added. LittleJerry (talk) 21:22, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ibex where exploited mainly for traditional medicine and a single carcass could create multiple different remedies. – In its brevity, this sentence sounds like a sentence for the lead. It seems there must be much more to write about here.

No further details are given in the source.

and by 1975, the species occupied much of its original range – what do you mean with "original range"? Apparently not its distribution in Greece? --Jens Lallensack (talk) 11:46, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Clarified. LittleJerry (talk) 21:22, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There also seems to be much more to write about the conservation history. For example, what led to the protection of the last remaining individuals in Gran Paradiso, and so on. --Jens Lallensack (talk) 11:55, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Added more. The sources don't really explain "why?". LittleJerry (talk) 21:46, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

These Swizz ibexes provided a base for subsequent reintroductions into other countries. Swizz? --SilverTiger12 (talk) 20:03, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 21:22, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment from FunkMonk - the article still seems rather short, sure there isn't room for expansion? I'll try to comment more detailed later. Another thing, it seems that linking modern countries is discouraged. FunkMonk (talk) 01:31, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Esculenta[edit]

I agree that the article feels short. Here's some specific ideas for expansion:

for FAC, I would definitely ask about doi:10.1111/mam.12194

Already cited. LittleJerry (talk) 21:24, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

did you know that the long-term survival of wild population of Alpine ibex heavily depends on their immune response, as determined by genetic diversity in the major histocompatibility complex, which is crucial for disease resistance and overall fitness, particularly in species that have experienced severe population bottlenecks? doi:10.1111/eva.12575

Added. LittleJerry (talk) 21:28, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

since Brucella infection is mentioned, one might want to also mention the Brucella disease reservoir in the French Alps, and epidemiological research into using vaccination as a possible way to control disease risk doi:10.1186/s13567-019-0717-0
these creatures are also parasitized by lungworms doi:10.1016/j.vetpar.2015.09.026

added. LittleJerry (talk) 00:01, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

this article has some info on gastrointestinal parasites (strongyles and coccidia) prevalent in some populations doi:10.4404/hystrix-00393-2020

Added. LittleJerry (talk) 21:24, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

this study on brucellosis in ibex in France's Bargy massif showed that management actions, including a test-and-cull program (a method to control outbreaks), effectively reduced infection prevalence in adult females from 51% in 2013 to 21% in 2018, with active infections also decreasing significantly. doi:10.1016/j.prevetmed.2020.105239

Added. LittleJerry (talk) 21:28, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

they also get foot rot (caused by Dichelobacter nodosus) doi:10.7589/JWD-D-20-00050

Added. LittleJerry (talk) 21:24, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This study on Alpine ibex migrations used data from 425 GPS-collared individuals to identify key environmental drivers of migration routes and to develop effective connectivity models, finding that trade-offs between energy, food, and cover are essential, and emphasizing the importance of understanding these migrations for conservation efforts in changing environments. doi:10.1101/2023.03.02.530594

This is a preprint. LittleJerry (talk) 21:28, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

this looks interesting, a citizen science project with the ibex in the Orobie Alps doi:10.21426/B636050885

Not important. LittleJerry (talk) 21:28, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Alpine ibex also get infected with the bacterial pathogen Chlamydia pecorum doi:10.7589/2014-08-220 – I reckon you have enough for a separate section on disease pathogens now

Added. LittleJerry (talk) 21:24, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

this article has a major discussion on the "History of the common and scientific names of Capra ibex and their use in English texts" that I would expect to be used for this article

Added. LittleJerry (talk) 19:32, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Other comments:

should make sure punctuation of author names is consistent (compare Toïgo, C. v. Pidancier, N)

Done. LittleJerry (talk) 22:38, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

ensure Latin names are italicized in titles (FN#3, FN#8, FN#13)

Done. LittleJerry (talk) 22:38, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

FN#21 is missing bibliographic info

Thats all that's given. LittleJerry (talk) 22:38, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

for FAC I would ask to have the full Linnaeus citation, and a courtesy link to the actual text. What does Linnaeus actually say about this species? Where was the type collected? Is this really all there is to say about taxonomy? Linnaeus described it 250 years ago and that's it?

This is not that important and I've never had to do this for other FACs. LittleJerry (talk) 00:05, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

that range map looks pixelated enough to complain about at FAC

I requested a new map at Wikipedia:Graphics_Lab/Map_workshop but no one has taken it. LittleJerry (talk) 23:57, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

make sure to link the jargon (cladogram, mitogenomic)

Done. LittleJerry (talk) 22:38, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

the population bottleneck mentioned in the lead is not mentioned later in the article. The lead has other deficiences as well. Hope this helps; I might have more comments later. Esculenta (talk) 03:09, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done. LittleJerry (talk) 22:38, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you all for your comments. I will get working sometime in the next coming week. LittleJerry (talk) 22:06, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

FunkMonk, can you have another look? LittleJerry (talk) 00:42, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If I don't get to it here, I will at FAC. FunkMonk (talk) 21:14, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Jens Lallensack and Esculenta, any more? LittleJerry (talk) 20:53, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]