Wikipedia:Peer review/Baizuo/archive1

Baizuo

I've listed this article for peer review because I think it's interesting and has a lot of room for improvement, I'm rewriting it and I'm interested in nominating it to GA or DYK. i haven't finished it yet, but there are a few points I'd like to get anyone's advice on:

1. Images. This should be the most troubling issue for me, and the only one I can think of is Tucker Carlson's Fox News which is available and useful (used by a Chinese media), but I'm afraid it's hard to do anything to the refugee crisis of 2015 or the pictures of Chinese netizens.
2. "Other sections". I'm only going to leave three big sections at the moment, Etymology, "Three Times Proliferation", and Similar Situations in Hong Kong (this one will probably be deleted), and I have to admit that I am inspired by the Covfefe, but I'm really bad at organizing (or at least the English wiki - although my past edits on the Chinese wiki weren't much better).
3. A further rewrite of the Trump situation. The current article is somewhat overly focused on conservative liberal reactions, but I haven't found a good academic source to analyze the specific ideas of nationalists.

Sincerest salute, ときさき くるみ ^{not because they are easy, but because they are hard} 00:16, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

You can't simultaneously have an article up for PR and GAN. Did you mean to close this review? (t · c) buidhe 07:14, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Comments from Z1720

Comments after a quick skim:

• The lede is quick short. I would suggest expanding this to include all the major points from all sections of the article.
• Some images you could include are those mentioned in the etymology section as having created the word.
• "Li, Ling; Teng, Biao (1 January 2021)." is listed as a source but not used as an inline citation. Either use the source or delete this.
• Per WP:RS/P, Sixthtone is not considered a reliable source for political topics and should be removed.
• Suggest incorporating Further reading items as sources or remove them
• Suggest looking for additional sources at WP:LIBRARY or Google Scholar.
• I do not think the quote is needed for ref 3, and can be removed.

I hope this helps. Z1720 (talk) 17:03, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments User:Z1720, here are my responses:

• I'm really not very good at summarizing articles, so what do you think needs to be added, specifically?

• MOS:LEDE has some information on what needs to be in the lede. My general rule is that if there is a heading for a section, there should be information from that section in the lede. Z1720 (talk) 22:34, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

• Em, I think I have added information about each section? ときさき くるみ ^{not because they are easy, but because they are hard} 18:29, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

• I guess... there is no free images for Li Shuo on Wikicommons, and I'm bit confused and worried about the copyrights, but I will add them if possible. Also, should we add an image about Chenchen Zhang?

• I wouldn't use this Zhang image because there isn't a clear copyright for the image. Is it possible to find an image of these people released by a government (and probably free domain)? If not, it's fine. Z1720 (talk) 22:34, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

• No, there won't be. Because this narrative's shape is largely in the same way as the Global Times model, where the government lets the netizens and tabloids highlight part of what it wants to say, but never comes down from the top and vigorously promotes the relevant theories itself. Speaking about this, there are images about Wang Yi, Yao Chen and Gebran Bassil. As for the (possible) inventor, he has never been assigned to any position related to the governance so there is not. ときさき くるみ ^{not because they are easy, but because they are hard} 18:35, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

• Removed.
• I'm not sure because the Sixthtone is quoted by Commonwealth, maybe primary? or further reading?

• I'd suggest removing the Sixthtone reference and just leaving the Commonwealth. Multiple sources are usually not necessary for facts. Z1720 (talk) 22:34, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

• Removed. This is my chronic disease from Chinese Wikipedia and various other articles where people have to give some citation bombs to persuade others. ときさき くるみ ^{not because they are easy, but because they are hard} 18:36, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

• Since Fox News could be unreliable per Wikipedia:RSP, I'm not sure how to deal with the first one, the rest are not regarded as RS from my POV.

• The Fox News link is an opinion piece, so it is definitely not a reliable source. If the rest are not RS, delete them. Z1720 (talk) 22:34, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

• I'm not sure. According to Wikipedia:RS blogs should not be ones, but Language Log has been widely used. ときさき くるみ ^{not because they are easy, but because they are hard} 18:39, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

• Already done, nothing found. Well TBH there are sources about right-wing populism in China, but not about Baizuo.
• Good to know if so.

ときさき くるみ ^{not because they are easy, but because they are hard} 17:52, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Responses above. Z1720 (talk) 22:34, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Z1720, have you noticed the changes? ときさき くるみ ^{not because they are easy, but because they are hard} 13:05, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

@Tokisaki Kurumi: Sorry for not responding earlier, real life has been busy. After a second skim, the article looks a lot better. I would suggest continuing to look for sources to add to the article, particularly the ones listed in the further reading section. Some other places you can find sources are archive.org, your local library system, and DOAJ. Let me know if you have any specific questions. Z1720 (talk) 00:03, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

I just noticed a group of books that devote several chapters to exploring the white left issue (surprising to me, since the term is really new, i.e. Cheng, Yinghong (2019). Discourses of race and rising China. Cham, Switzerland: Palgrave Macmillan. ISBN 978-3-030-05357-4.), and I plan to use them to expand further. ときさき くるみ ^{not because they are easy, but because they are hard} 00:08, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@Z1720: So I did add a few more things, and now I'm a little bit at a loss for what else to add, and I think I've covered all the possible scenarios for the word so far - several events, analysis, possible government laissez-faire, dissemination to the U.S., and I think it's the time to nominate it. ときさき くるみ ^{not because they are easy, but because they are hard} 06:04, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

After a quick skim, I do not see major problems with the article. I suggest adding images of the people that arae talked about in the article, to make it more visually appealing. Z1720 (talk) 13:24, 31 May 2023 (UTC)