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Căile Ferate Române

Nominating this article, about Romania's state railway carrier, because I would really appreciate some feedback on its comprehensivity and any tips to improve its overall formatting, style, etc (in preparation to become a featured article). I would also appreciate feedback on the choice of name. Căile Ferate Române is the name of the company which runs the railway network in Romania, but would it be better to perhaps move the article to a generic name like "Rail transport in Romania"? Thanks, Ronline 07:01, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Good work. I think the model everyone should follow when writing these kind of pages are Nichalp's Indian Railways and Rail transport in India. There the topic is separated between the company and the system, which might be an idea here. I don't know enough about the subject to know if this page is comprehensive, but it seems good. Look at the India pages and see if they cover anything that this page does not. The one section that seems overly brief is ==Railways in Communist Romania==, especially when compared to teh post-1989 history. As to formatting there are perhaps too many very brief sections in the history portion. It might be a good idea to merge some of them together. Also in certain sections, especially ==Personal== and ==Rapid==, the pictures are overly dense making the article hard to read on lower screen resolutions. This could be solved by dropping the image width to 200px. - SimonP 19:49, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks! I will take a look at those India pages. The Communist-era section is a bit short because there just isn't that much information out there on the CFR site. I've tried to make it as extended as possible, but I will try to find another source that documents the developments in the railways during that period (maybe photos, too). The first 5 sections in the history portion have been placed under a "Railways in the 19th century" heading (I'm just wondering if this won't make the section seem less organised...) I agree that the pictures seem very "crammed" in the Personal-Rapid sehttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Peer_review/C%C4%83ile_Ferate_Rom%C3%A2ne&action=edit

Edit this pagections. Is it Wikipedia style to put a gallery section (using the new syntax) under each section? Would that look good or would it break the flow. I've made the pictures 200px now, and the text does look more airy that way. Just another question - should References be separated into "Notes" and "References", with the Notes section including the footnotes, and References including just general sources? Thanks again, Ronline 08:38, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Good changes so far, the history section to me seems better organized. I also think the pictures as they are now are ideal. Personally I don't consider galleries very appealing in articles. If there are too many images to be integrated into the text I would upload them to the commons and add a link to a gallery there. As to references, the standard is to separate notes and references, and that section is thus perfectly formatted as it is now. - SimonP 14:37, July 11, 2005 (UTC)

The article is looking really nice, good job guys! - FrancisTyers 15:03, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Would be nice to get it translated into Romanian for ro.wikipedia ;) - FrancisTyers 15:11, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Another suggestion would be to mention where the rolling stock came from. I think that most of the stuff bought in the 70's was East German, or were they actually built in Romania? - FrancisTyers 15:15, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Yes, it will be translated into Romanian soon. Simon - there's already a pictures page for CFR over at Commons, which is linked from the article. As to mentioning where the rolling stock came from, I will try to do this more in detail, especially for the new rolling stock. Most rolling stock, new or old, on the CFR network, is actually from Romania. Some of the railbuses are from East Germany, while some locomotives are from former Yugoslavia, but mostly they were built in Arad and Craiova, Romania. The more recent ones come from Germany but are assembled in Arad, Romania. (A lot of 1970s stuff from East Germany were trams, buses and trolleybuses, which still run today). By the way, with the information from Xanthar, I've made a table showing all InterCity services and the type of rolling stock used. I've used the Unicode tick symbol (✓). Is this good form, or does this symbol have problems showing up on other computers? Ronline 08:27, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

The tick symbol works fine for me :) Thanks for the clarification re: rolling stock. As I said, looking really nice. I'll check out CFR on commons. - FrancisTyers 10:20, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks! The commons photos of rolling stock are at Commons:Train/Romania. I will categorise them on that page more neatly and add captions soon, but they're mainly the photos of rolling stock found in the article plus a few more InterCity photos. By the way, is it OK if I submit this article to featured article candidates now, or does it have to go through more peer review? One pending issue is the name of the article - would it be perhaps better to move it to Rail transport in Romania. Rail transport in Romania (and Romanian Railways) currently redirects to Căile Ferate Române. I don't think it's worth having two separate articles since I think it's superflous and also since, in Romania, CFR is almost synonymous with the Romanian railway system. At ro.wiki, I've also applied for a native pronunciation of the word "Căile Ferate Române", so this will be done soon to show people how to pronounce it (I'm also a native speaker but I don't have a microphone, so I can't do the recording). The word is pronounced approximately "Ca-ee-leh Feh-rah-teh Rom-âhn-eh", though the â sound does not have an English equivalent (the ă sound in Romanian is always pronounced like the last "o" in "London"). Since these types of guides are discouraged, I will get a pronunciation sound file. Ronline 10:59, 12 July 2005 (UTC)